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| i've said on here before the worst thing that happened to afro guyanese was forbes he left his own castrated and impotent slaves of the state. williams did the same in titty both enemies of blacks and friends of the redman elite.....bustamante/seaga/grantley skunts the lot of them.
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great Sir K! very similar to Titty at one time I guess. yu filled in a lot of spaces and brought a sense of how things really were and some of the blac advantages there were...if one shud call dem advantages.
double edged swords really for dat same educational dominance of blacks was earned on the eradication of all and every sense of blackness dat may retained for blac people a sense of self and unified comunity and people that is now so lacking in blac people.
it could have provided a sese of balamce that is prevalent in Afican history, that always considers the current relative to what went before and wat may come...so that one never digs a hole for oneself and enures an opportuity to get up if things go down.
its like the saying: in war against a defeated enemy, block 3 sides and leave the fourth so dat he may escape...so wen your turn comes a door is left for you too!
the system dat allowed blac to be 'dominant' in the professions/education also embedded the infirmity of love for whites dat is the bane of blac people today.
one had to be christian to go to school. deh also 'first communioned you, then confirmed you....then at school deh filled your head with robert louis stevenson and dickens, wordsworth and lord alfred tennyson, conan doyle and all kind of bullshit histort as driven by great men at war....while deh disparaged your colloquialism and all things blac, up front and subliminally.
well blac people paying for than now as it was intended from the start. I remember one time in Toronto I had an argument with 2 professional white guys who had stiffed me. I said "ok...I will meet you muthers one day in the westindies" 
deh laffed at me with the uter confidence dat: "doh be an ass! we are white! we will come to the westindies and do beter than you! there would be even less there you can do to us than here!"
and deh were/are right!
Rikini next door accuses me of wanna be intellectual! dat bowy is a pure a skunt leh me tell allyuh...ah big mout' bad minded skunt with whom it is impossible to connect!
intellectual my arse! if I cud I wud wash mih mind out! tun it inside out an' upside fuckin' dong, makin' sure I get every fuckin' dreg of european skuntery out of my skunt mind!
he mad or wat!? all dat is infirmity to me! if I could somehow appropriate a big African language and den come to learn english from dat base I wud be fine. learning english fuh efficacy in the modentr word is not the same is being conquered and given the mase langauge as mental and emotional prison.
and wen we take the langauge and fuck it up fuh we own purpose deh dispagage dat and impose deh english and its proper pronounciation as standard fuh entry into anything in the region.
HDMC! I will have more to say on that fuckery in time, but blac people hooked up on it...and so was I. but I know bettah now!
I am not sorry fuh blac people in the westindies. sorrw and the tears of Andfrew mason do the same thing...od dont do the same thing. deh make nutten grow so fuck sorrow and related emotions, worries and concerns.
it is idah people fit fuh life, smart enuff and fit demselves out to survive or deh dont. dat is the realioty humans face all the time whether we conscious of it or not. in the end we all face the same challenge...how to survive indefinetly in an evolutionary universe. but in soco=ial life we have the sub-concerns evolved due to the nature of the history we have had.
hence the situation in the westindies and is historical basis! blac people have work to do dat no others cyan do fuh we. deh have their wuk to do fuh dehself.
but we are bounded by westindian reality which in the end will discipline watever evoles in the region as far as social organisation goes. we can do only wat is possible in the region at any time. we must mek do then with the conditions we own.
in time as knowledge increases we may be able to do more with wat we have dan we do now.
but I accepted the fact that al man who there in the westindies own the region and have a rightfull place under dat sun. so watever is to come out must be a prodcut of all the people there.
there is no question of anyone driving the other into the sea. so I speak as I do from the angle that all must be citizens and have deh say in the prcess.
the movement that rightfully must bring these ideas to the fore and drive them to max development would be ordinary westindian folk led by an organised working class.
the interests and responsibility for the development of a integrated but diverse, people-centred democratic state is owned by the people themselves. it is in the ineterest of no others for this development to occur but the people.
and if the westindian people do not rise and bring such a state into being it will never happen and what we live now we will continue to live to its eventual resoltuon in the disaster it contains
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 04:11 pm |
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sir bim wrote: i've said on here before the worst thing that happened to afro guyanese was forbes he left his own castrated and impotent slaves of the state. williams did the same in titty both enemies of blacks and friends of the redman elite.....bustamante/seaga/grantley skunts the lot of them.
the quality of the dictatorship depends entirely on the human nature and personality of the dictator and dat is quite unsatisfactory, unacceptable!
after all the revolutions and overthrow of despotic kings and monachies, actual dictatorships etc., you wish again for the insecuirty of despotic power anywhere at all?
do you have any idea wat it is for one man and those who coalesce around him to have the power to dispose of all and everyone in society?
yu must be mad!
yu seem to have in mind benign dictators! but power corupts absolutely so if benign for a minute, your dictator will soon morph into burnham, papa doc, stalin etc!
humanity did not have so many revolutuons against despotic power in the past...not to mention the looming revolutions of this day...to come now and volutarily re-imose that shit on any part of ourselves.
I am afraid messy as it is you have to deal with democracy wherever it is in the world. yu have to accept that that is the best way to go and dat at some point the people will get it right
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 06:45 pm |
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Kakkabelly Esquire ,
That was very well encapsulated ....
Me too started off kindergarten education with a blac lady named Teacher Tina ..
I then went on to a Methodist school , fully staffed by all blac teachers and Headmaster.
My common entrance to high school was Walker 's Under 12 ..Mr. Walker and his Sister !
So i have known the intellectual side of my Afro Guyanese bretheren throughout my life.
As a result my friends in mixed Village Kitty , were mostly Afro students 'til I came here.
I really doan know what happenened to the Afro intellectuals over the past 32 years !!
But your explanation sounds with merit ...
BTW, can you shed some light on the Desmond Hoyte Years post Forbes ...
People keep telling me that he tried to pull things back until the PPP won ...
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Just picked this up from a book I am reading:
the politics of a country can only be an extension of its human relationships - vs Naipaul
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Posted: Sun Nov 8th, 2009 01:40 pm |
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I really doan know what happenened to the Afro intellectuals over the past 32 years !!
is something deh put in the wartuh. same ting happening all ovah the wurl! deh find soemthing fuh blac men alone
is only blac' men in trouble. blac women doin fine! white men always loved chocolate lips and hershey kisses...but dem fellas and dem in he way.
time tuh move dem out!
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Ketch that piece of Guyana is beyond me. When you say pull it abck you maen he tried to open up the country and make it democratic? If so, i wont dont it.
I am of the opinion that had it not been the fall of the Berlin wall, the opening up of eastern europe, Guyana might still not have seen a PPP government. The USA would have still considered the PPP communist and a threat to the hemisphere. I think once the wall fell, and communism became less of a threat, the USA saw the light in putting pressure on Guyana. Hoyte would have seen this and he would have had no choice but to open up the country and move it to a democaratic state. that is my view. Never read it anywhere...just the way I see things.
Katch wrote to Kakabelly: BTW, can you shed some light on the Desmond Hoyte Years post Forbes ...
People keep telling me that he tried to pull things back until the PPP won ...
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Posted: Sun Nov 8th, 2009 11:47 pm |
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so here is nothing systematic preventing Afro Guyanese from opening up busineses etc.
deh are not opening up business or progresing generally...the general impression here.
well why then?
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Maps , I really do not know .
In my time Afros circa '75 .......role models were abundant :
Doctors Denbow ( the entire denbow clan )
Judges Haynes , QCs Fred Wills et al
Authors Braithwaite , Mittelholzer
Pretend BG actors like Sidney Poitier ....
Poets Martin Carter and his ilk
Playwrights , musicians , both recording and Local bands like The Young Ones !!
The List goes on ....Role models that my generation of Afros wanted to be Like !!
Alas , role models during Forbes 28 years of Dictate......just disappeared 
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I would be remiss IF i did not mention my economist mentor Dr. Clive Thomas
and my radical hero Dr. Walter Rodney ...
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a most deleterious impact on Afro Guyana can be detected from the reign of Forbes.
my way of thinking leads to me reason dat that effect is a deliberate and planned effect by those who established Forbes and keep him going till he died.
I have seen it all over the world, the same negative trends for blac people, especially blac males.
it is the same in Trinidad where blac people were everything as in Guyana but clearly have been back-peddling since around 1965-70
it is as if independence was 'won' all man give up and reverted to lazy times and cooling out!
but is dat impression or truth?
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Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 03:11 pm |
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ketch_im wrote: I would be remiss IF i did not mention my economist mentor Dr. Clive Thomas
and my radical hero Dr. Walter Rodney ...
Barbados and Guyana were noted for their good education systems such as deh were back in the day. watever education Guyana gave and whoever got it ,deh got it well taught back in the day.
I seem to remember some such belief back then
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early on there was John Jacob Thomas of Trinidad!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Froudacity
"Froudacity: West Indian Fables by James Anthony Froude is a 1889 polemic written by John Jacob Thomas as a rebuttal to James Anthony Froude's 1888 book The English in the West Indies. Froude's travelogue attacked the British West Indian colonies for wanting to establish self-government, arguing that if the majority black population were allowed to vote on leaders they would choose leaders that would repress the white population. Like many of his West Indian contemporaries, Thomas was outraged at the inaccuracies of Froude's text as well as the racist arguments that Froude uses as justification for his beliefs. He decided that writing a refutation to Froude was his patriotic duty[1] and that it would act as self-vindication[2] for West Indian blacks"
"Froudacity is split into four books, each addressing specific topics that Froude brings. Thomas begins the preface by attacking the overarching claims that Froude uses to argue against self-governance. Thomas ridicules Froude's assertion that if blacks in West Indian countries were given the right to vote, they would elect a candidate that would strip away the rights of whites due to racial animosity [9]. He also attacks the notion that West Indian blacks harbor animosity against whites by pointing out that as many blacks owned slaves as whites [10], and that most people who were alive during slavery have since died"
Thomas continues to contest Froude's multiple accusations about the results of black ruling over whites and what the ideal governance situation is for the West Indies. When Froude brings up the old stereotypes of blacks being lazy [22], or being cannibals or devil-worshipers [23], Thomas quickly counters all of the accusations. Thomas goes on to note the rising prominence of Christianity [24] among blacks, and engages in a discussion on the limits of science and religion.[url=#cite_note-10][/url]
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...devil worshipers [23], Thomas quickly counters all of the accusations. Thomas goes on to note the rising prominence of Christianity
"the rising prominence of christianity" seems critical in any explanation of current Afro westindian social malaise
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I too had the same experience.. I had 3 indo teachers through all my years in guyana..
And one of the best professors here in Toronto was a black west indian male...
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Henry Sylvester Williams (February 15, 1869 – March 26, 1911[1]) was a lawyer, councillor and writer. He was a prominent Trinidadian in the late 19th and early 20th century. Most notably, he was known for his involvement in the Pan-African Movement. Arriving in Britain in 1896, the Trinidadian formed the African Association which was to challenge paternalism, racism and imperialism. He stated that "the time has come when the voice of Black men should be heard independently in their own affairs".
The major works on him remain the biographies written by late Trinidadian journalist Owen Mathurin and professor James R Hooker of the Department of History, Michigan State University.
Williams was born in 1869 in Arouca. As
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Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 04:06 pm |
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mapoui wrote: watever education Guyana gave and whoever got it ,deh got it well taught back in the day.
I seem to remember some such belief back then
Exactly.
Guyana was pumping out intellects galore ...IT was like a period of Renaissance !!
Not only in Jurisprudence , Medicine and Finance :
But .........Authors , Playwrights , Musicians
Broadcasters like BL crombie , Newpaper Editors like Carl Blackman
and Tradesmen ....the finest Woodwork from Guyana's finest Timber !!
Goldsmiths and Diamond setters .....Jewellers of a different style 
I really think it was a Mistake to become Independent 
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Black fcking leadership, real leadership is sadly lacking in the country. Rather than mentoring and developing Black people, the base of the representation is who owe us what and who stole this from us and who is marginalizing us. That will not work. That premise is just to say we should get in power again. And when that happens, it will start all over again and Indians will do the same thing – survive.
yuh see sir K...wat I trying to get at is the state of affairs in the region, the racism thats there, its nature, who and where...cricket, the civil service etc....and why we Afros find weself in 'diah straits' at this time?
on the other thread I added a couple of posts about JJ Thomas and Henry Sylvester Williams....of Titty.
allyuh pointed out a lot about the excellence of Guyanse blac people.
wat I am doing is trying to reconstruct fuh we here the high quality of westindian blacs from the start...world class actually...from start to finish, standards achieved in the most difficult of human conditions.
but wurl class on a british/european base...no an intellectual construct of own making
all the same it was high literacy...yet we have today and the current state of blac people, which is opposite to what obtained in the past!
I find it also critical to sort out the relationship of Indo and Afros from day one...in BG and Titty as well as the nature of the situation from all angles.
it would appear as clear as day there is a whole lot our generations need to know and understand about our past, to make the best of our currnt and so set up a decent future
I see the decline of blac people as a fucntio of the decline of white capitalist society of which we have been an embedded part from the start.
this is a new day... as it always is a new day... when the old descends into futulity and a new way is a-borning.
during the last 2-3 generations blac westindians, particularly Trinis, locked into capitalism, gloried in the america band, never realising that is evolutionary factors make real that capitalsim itself was on its last legs and humanity must make a new way or end itself..
not that we thought of any such thing...just that the systme is the way to go. but in its monopolistic last stage the dominant american capitalism has given rise to the total rape of he planet and the treament of ordinary people like shit globally.
so the westindies...trinidad in particular... ends up ripped off, sectionised, racially at odds with itself, fooled -convinced of principiles and behaviour actually against its own best interest.
little that afros actually know can help us now! we hate each other at a time when we must collectivise. we know only capitalist bullshit when different approaches are demanded essential in capialist economic failure.
at a time when societies like ours are vulnerable to the depradations of the develped world, in its efforts to keep and maintain itself and empire, westindians believe to the contrary and hold great faith in our enemies, simply because deh ar white...or represent white.
look at the foolish attachment to barack Obama only the most disastrous amewrican president ever, particualr with regard to the ineterst of people like us. these are for examle the peole who have done and continue to whatever it is dats has caused the serious decline of blac people worldwide, not just in the westindies.
and embedded systematically as blac people are we have suffered and dont know why and ask no questions. we alos desecrate and disparage those blac people who know soemthing and courageous enuff to brave their wrath to aprise the people of the little truth deh know, dat might be of use to everyone
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Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 04:40 pm |
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 independence is never a mistake. everybody have to grow up!
an' even if it wasnt given in 1962-1966, by now it wudda be ours/yours by the attrition of time and the negative effects the pasage of time has on all empires.
try imagine wat Britain would have been doing today as the mother country to guyana and all the rest ah unruly we?
Britain wudda been like an ole dry out mother with no milk, with some big hardback chirren bitching and back-biting at each other for a suck at she ole' dry titties.
we wudda have to find food to eat on we own or starve! 
and people like Sir bim wud not now be in england partaking of deh diminishing patrimony, which deh wud not have had had deh held on.
its up to we now to make another rennaisance, another shangri-la so to speak,...in deliberate avoidance of the english word Camelot.
if we build well, from the ground up socially, we cud make something that will last for some considearble time
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mapoui wrote: its up to we now to make another rennaisance, another shangri-la so to speak,
and give up all dat Narco money ??
My classmate who became Minister of Agriculture was murdered with his Brother a
coupla years ago ....
Rumour has it that dem wanted land in the Interior to build a Cocaine refining facilty !!
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wat is the narco coin for den if not to build a shangri-la?
look like de narco shangri-la is to be in heaven..or hell then....so many are dispatched in their prime earning it
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Rumour has it that dem wanted land in the Interior to build a Cocaine refining facilty !!
id the refinery go up? how many carbon credits fuh dat?
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Black people have not reverted to lazy times nor cooling out. In fact, I would say that is wrong expression "reverting to lazy time"; it implies Blacks were lazy and would delight Indian and White racists whereever the exist. I know you did not mean it in this way but I wanted to clarify.
I disagree with you, strongly too, that the big plan was to put Burnham there, with the end objective of nullifying the Black male. Quite wrong analysis but what can I say, when this comes from you, I expect nothing else.
The fact is Burnham created a perception that he was there for Black people. He was not. At least, if he was, the plan backfired. The man was very good at rhetoric, hyping up the rights of Black people.
Listen Maps, a lot of Black people thought they could do anything because of Burnham and they would get away with it. Credit to Mr. Hoyte - he openly punished some Black people to let them know that he would not tolerate shite. Unfortunately, Mr. Hoyte would not have been in total control - the party apparatus were.
Let's move away a bit though and look outward at Guyana. What happened during 28 years of reign by the PNC, was the demorlization of people. Most of Guyana was hopeless, for Black, Indian and all. The country had gone to the pits. The people were on the brink of starving. The country lived in an obsession of getting out. Every Tom, Dick and Harry saw a future out of Guyana. That change in the mindset is not easy to overcome. One cannot build nationalism and national identity when the people are not happy and are looking outward for survival and happiness.
Another change was the culture of "every man for himself" or what we may call the hustling culture. In fact this IS now Guyana. It is a hustling country where people do all kinds of things to make the buck; if it takes bribery so be it; if it takes drugs, so be it; if it takes robbery so be it. The mighty buck rules. Material accumulation is more important than intangibles like education. People want to see progress. Progress so that they dont have to shite in latrines and walk in mud anymore. They want concrete bottom houses. They want what America wants. Yes, the fcking country is more America today than ever.
The measurement yardsticks for success have shifted. It is no longer about who has so and so degree, or so and so A levels or such and such a big job. It is about this person owns that, and he goes so many times for holidays abroad and he owns so many cars and SUVs. Success measurements are akin to American capitalist progress. Who the fcuk cares about role model in education? Show me a big house and a fancy car and that is my role model.
I hope you can get the picture. The country is no longer what it was. It is an American colony, culture wise. Much can be credited to the number of "foreigners" who go back and forth and have shown the way. Much can be attributed tot the amount of American TV and American popular culture penetrating the country. Much can be attributed to the cry for betterment - no more living in shite - regardless of what it costs. Much can be credited to the culture and innante human desire " we want nice things too". But make no mistake, the penetration of American culture has a big part to do with it.
This is not the Guyana that Burnham presided over. It is not the Guyana that most of us on this forum know. It is not the country we left. They have changed. And why not? Have we not changed too? We cannot imagine Guyana as if it has stood still while we have been living a generation ( 30 years plus) abroad. Fcuk if the country did not change, I would feel terriblbe. But all that is good in their eyes may not be good in ours. We have to let them judge - they live there.
So Forbes left Black people in a bit of a mess. A lot of Indians were accumulating, building up their empire and refining their business skills while the Black people for the most part, were falling into complacency or dependency on government backing ( jobs and what not). When the economy opened and the political process opened up, Indians had a big headstart. ALll the big Indian businesses. all the Indians who accumulated money and sat on it were way ahead of everyone. Who could catch them? And to add insult to injury, some of the Indians who fled in bad times, returned with a lot of foreign money to open even more businesses.
Where does it leave Black people? It leaves them very very far behind. Is it Indians' fault? No. Are Black people cheated by Indians? No. But yet you see Balck "leaders" saying that Blacks are marginalized and Indians are rich and running things because they were given help or they cheated Blacks. This is really far from the truth. They are politicians, not sociolgists. They need to look at this from a different angle.
In my opinion there has to be new Black leadership. Leaders have to inspire the people - get down to basics, work hard, study hard xcel at the schools, get in to the businesses bit by bit - and develop strong so that no one can displace the Black people who want to do better. Make no mistake a lot of Indians are still very poor and are hopeless in Guyana. What saves many of them is that they have children who help them. Indians have problems too - drunkeness is a a big big one.
I will leave here as I have to go but let's keep talkign..
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I disagree with you, strongly too, that the big plan was to put Burnham there, with the end objective of nullifying the Black male. Quite wrong analysis but what can I say, when this comes from you, I expect nothing else
is dat wat I said! no..not really!
when I refer to the big plan I am talkign about the anglo empire which morphed into the american empire and for a while they acted in tandem in the westindies.
they invaded guyana as they have deone many other places when progressive governments appear, legally enacted by the people
when deh invade it is to regime change the situation, and to destrroy the progressive parties and all their supporters, leaving in their place a monster dictator.
the perfect example in our region is Chile and Allende'. Chile was properly couped using the national military which destroyed Allende and his party and supporter. thousands and thousands of Chileans were killed including Allednde. stadiums were filled with people all of whom were killed.
and in Allende's stead Pinochet was instituted, a most awful dictator.
well that was Guyans fate as well. Guyana did not have millions of people and did not warrant the actions carried out in Chile. but the removed the progrssive government and advertised for a dictator and Forbes won.
so a dictator was left in place and dat is the imperial plan repeated all over the world anytime it has been necessary. and the consequences for ordinary people...especially for blac men over the last 45 years or so has been decline and drop out everywhere.
it is part of what I call world war 3...an attack on the ordinary people of the world by the western elites. it is a comprehensive attack or war that takes every uimaginable form...from the quality of the offd yu eat to the liquids you drink, the clothes you wear, toohpaste and soap, pollution, education, the work we do, the impossibility of getting solvent and staying so, and on and on it goes............
dat is what I mean by pna and attack on blac men. but as I said we are all under attack in one way or another. and if Blac women do better in school now dan blac males if the blac male is ot of the loop she too is attacked for what will seh do generall without viable blac males to deal with? only so may can intemarry.
I never meant wat you thought I meant man. read me again and see if that is not in fact the case
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Posted: Tue Nov 10th, 2009 04:56 am |
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Black people have not reverted to lazy times nor cooling out. In fact, I would say that is wrong expression "reverting to lazy time"; it implies Blacks were lazy and would delight Indian and White racists whereever the exist. I know you did not mean it in this way but I wanted to clarify.
yu got dat right!
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Yes ok Maps.
Read the book Global Dreams by hanrahan and barnett. Yu will like it.
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Let's move away a bit though and look outward at Guyana. What happened during 28 years of reign by the PNC, was the demorlization of people. Most of Guyana was hopeless, for Black, Indian and all. The country had gone to the pits. The people were on the brink of starving. The country lived in an obsession of getting out. Every Tom, Dick and Harry saw a future out of Guyana. That change in the mindset is not easy to overcome. One cannot build nationalism and national identity when the people are not happy and are looking outward for survival and happiness.
Another change was the culture of "every man for himself" or what we may call the hustling culture. In fact this IS now Guyana. It is a hustling country where people do all kinds of things to make the buck; if it takes bribery so be it; if it takes drugs, so be it; if it takes robbery so be it. The mighty buck rules. Material accumulation is more important than intangibles like education. People want to see progress. Progress so that they dont have to shite in latrines and walk in mud anymore. They want concrete bottom houses. They want what America wants. Yes, the fcking country is more America today than ever
but that was the point of the invasion! wat did Cheddi and Frobes begin to do...make a nationalism for the people by the people. deh were the representatives of the people doing the peoples work faithfully.
all of dat is anti empire and the empire cannot tolerate such. dat is insrubordination and setting bad example and the mafia will out yuh lights for dat...which deh did in Guyana.
if nationalisn is not in he imperilst favor then anti nationalism is. so the consequences of the invasion for Guyana is exactly what they had in mind.
and if the media is owned by the imperial mafia and and deh make money king, as condititoned in the people by ceaseless repititon in the media...then who own all the money...the paper all the treausries everywhere use to make bills, money...whoowns dem all...and dictate to the rest...those deh may no! own?
yu see wat I mean?
look at how the economy functions. at the very least, nominaly, we dont even own the money in we own pocket. we hustle, work hard yet we are always strung out financially no matter how hard we hustle or work. there is really no possibility of getting on top and staying there unless we manage somehow to get rich. and curently here are only a few ways anyone can get rich.
so all the rest must work and be strung out...or become scrooge-like hoarders to get over.
but hoarding can be problematic! where does one hoard...in the banks!? the government will tax it to no ones loss!
one must be part of a group that organises power in the nation that protects its members from what others cannot avoid...taxation, policing of all sorts, favours and connections where the wealth revolves.
but there is n way to live a normal decent life and not be host for parasitice government, banks, consumer stores and supermarkets, mortgages and landlords etc
life for Guyanes has unfolded exactly as it must have once the invasion tool place. by killing nationalism all positive alernative for Guyanese were eliminated, hustling, gansterims, drugs loomed as opportunity...and nothing profits the status quo more than illegal activity...especially the sale of bannded drugs
the only way things can change back to nationalism is for all to see the truth, the nature of what took place and why and the deliberate consequences most of the people now live.
once this is noted by the people the nationalist solution becomes obvious...alos how to get the necessary nationalism also becomes obvious. the people have to fight for it...fight the empire for their nation...the empire that responsible for the current state of things. the empire planned it out...the big plan...and effected it to their benefit and our loss
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The measurement yardsticks for success have shifted. It is no longer about who has so and so degree, or so and so A levels or such and such a big job. It is about this person owns that, and he goes so many times for holidays abroad and he owns so many cars and SUVs. Success measurements are akin to American capitalist progress. Who the fcuk cares about role model in education? Show me a big house and a fancy car and that is my role model
such ownership is tricky too and can be protect only in the way I described above.
the law must be in Guyana the way it has been made everywhere now under impeial tuetelage...the law that establishes that the government can take every cent you have if deh cyan prove it is the proceeds of illegal activity.
I believe dat has morphed now into taking the wealth purely on suspicion of illegal activity.
and if the government takes your wealth and it porves out that deh were wrong it will take a great deal of doing on the part of the owner to get the wealth back...minus of course what the givernment calls the cost to to the government the of the process deh put you through.
the only thing that protect such wealth as we are talking about here is if one is a member of a group that is so powerful they own the government and so all members are absolved from prosecution of an sort by simply being part of dat roup.
the regular society we used to know has broken down and we now live by mob rule. and the biggest mob of all is the government of any nation, anywhwre in the world
few people can win dat game sir K! there are a very few people in theworld who actually own and controll all the money. they have just caried ot an appalling robbery of the people of the planet bu the current finacial scandal.
ownership of the money allows them to pump up credit to creat bubbles economies, in which people take all the money and invest because deh have been fooled dat there is money to make.
the excess liquidityy sends house prices skyrocketing. people who own homes free and clear remortaged to take out the excess liquidity and live high or invest more...
then of course the liquidity is removed and everything crashes. once the dust begins clearing we we see that all the money, the houses, the buildings have fallen into very few hands...the very people who own the currency and have maniulated it to rip EVERYBODY OFF!
it is the guy who already owns everything who sings dat money is everything.. we got to have it and peolpe must sacrifice and struggle mightily to make money.
but that man who says money is everything is king becuse he already owns all the money and all the instruments by which wealth is created, expanded and owned.
s opeople are fools exhausting themselves when all they do makes even more for the man who alreadys owns all the money and all the means of creating welth everywhere
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Maps I wont go so far as you have in your last two posts. As you know I am a moderate capitalist
But how will a people change? Let me help you. Back in the early days when the King of Thailand wanted his people to get modern he said: ladies must walk with an umbrella; they must tilt their head this way and that way; they must sip their tea so and so way. they must do this and do that. The king wanted them to be western. Now that is one fcking backward way.
Another way is thru Leadership. Leaders who are sincere and are eloquent to articulate a new direction - to help effect a changed value system. Leaders can inspire and help others to do the same. Burnham did try in many ways but the problem is he was saying one thing and doing another. When you dont have food, people wont listen to you.
Cheddie JAgan was a LEADER to effect change among working class Indians. He changed the people forever - so much so that many of today's Indian radicals and commentators came out of that political conciousness created by Jagan. People today see him as communist and criticize him. That's good too. People have grown up. But education and drive for that education largely started with Jagan calling for universal education and girls be afforded into the system. Many Indians dont even know or care for the value of Cheddie. But again that is fine. Indians have grown up to criticize their own.
Maps, please be aware that no one is forcing people to drive for money or material accumulation. To stop the drive will be a crime to most of the population. People want THINGS. Things govern this age, this period of mankind. America is dominating the world in popular culture. People are becoming more Americans the world over. Dont go telling people that THINGS are not important and they should not strive for money. There are FEW exceptions to this model.
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