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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 03:17 pm |
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and play 6 Indo boys in the same test match??
America elected a color man to be president. Will WI selectors turn the corner on the race bias?
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 03:20 pm |
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wat cornah yu mean?
I wasnt aware deh were travellin' ah road, lookin fuh ah place to turn to get six indos to play at one time?
I was of the opinion deh were looking fuh 11 good players no matter who deh turned out to be!?
is dat soemthing new Googs?
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 03:30 pm |
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mapoui wrote: wat cornah yu mean?
I wasnt aware deh were travellin' ah road, lookin fuh ah place to turn to get six indos to play at one time?
I was of the opinion deh were looking fuh 11 good players no matter who deh turned out to be!?
is dat soemthing new Googs?
doan play innocent wid me!!
you fooking well know many Indos got shafted in the past.....
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 03:41 pm |
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if yuh hold on hard to your fantasies I guess they could morph into the real...in yuh own head!
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yu judging blac people by Indo standards! blac people not like allyuh wen comes to racism yu know!
blac people in deh greatest majority doh hate nobody in anyway at all...only dehself and each other!
100% of blac people hate dehself and each other, are very hard on each other where deh are easy on Indians...even dem blac westindans who suppose to hate Indians... like Antiguans.
wat Vere Bird snr said ad did is not wat ordinary Antiguans folow with regard to Indians!
I know Antigua well and despite all dat indian hating talk I saw the few Indians in Antigua while I was there, flourshing magnificently.
Antiguans put nutten in their way, helped them along in fact...while deh pressurised blacs from the other islands and guyana.
I dont see no anti Indo administrative racism in westindies cricket...bever saw any.
wat I always saw is wicb(c) going out of its way to include Indos...not to keep them out!
the problem on these message boards...especialy 446 and Ends board... is dat deh are full of ideologically minority extreme Indos, who have palns in deh head for the westindies dat doh include blac people.
it is allyuh who hate blac people and want to take over everything!
the focushere is cricket and allyuh intent is to help facilitate the take-over of westindies cricket by Indos.
nutten else will satisfy allyuh!
'and when...not if... dat happens blac people is toast.'
allyuh will become guilty of the very thing allyuh accuse we of now! kettle already calling he bottom....
but nobody is fooled by dat game.
I for one " know dat there is absolutely nutten any blac controlled wicb can do to satisfy allyuh, save to voluntarily give allyuh the game and the region, and walk straight into the caribean sea and drown en masse''
dat is the only thing dat go make allyuh happy and end the sniping, back-biting, undermining...and finally close down 446 and aficionado
I mean I watched allyuh attack Brian Lara unmercifully, totally unjustified, relentlessly...while allyuh had no end of praise for Shive, who in Lara's retirement became exactly what lara was to the westindies....atlas, a one-man show....
shive could do no wrong....allyuh did not care if people levelled the same criticism at allyuh...'dat allyuh cared only if Shive did well'...the same negative allyuh showered on we in open accusation.
but Lara did nutten to allyuh, always helped players Indos or not. Lara was not in allyuh way but allyuyh belived he was, and so did not give him room to breathe.
I cayn never forgive allyuh for allyuh sustained, relentless attack on Bran Lara who is not a bad person, or a prejudiced person at all...but a man who bends over backward to help EVERYBODY he can help, who took lil Barath under his wing, who assisted Danga all he could...
I mean to prove allyuh out it is the most simple thing to do...its all there in the archieves.
thankfully all Indos are not the same. I mean I know how all ah allyuh stop with the race thing, but not all Indos are as extrme as allyuh.
which probably means there may be some space to develop a westindian society that makes room fuh all.
it is either dat or there will be race war in the region one day....or mass murder of blac people by Indos, if they develop the power to kerry dat out.
and dat is a distinct possibility the way things are developing in the region.
but in cricket the truth is...that the Indo players worthy of selection have always been picked by the wicb(c). there are 6-7 such players currenly and 6 have been selected
Narsing could never make my team because I see dat he is not good enuff....ah BG bully. Morton is the player to help the batting at this time.
if there is to be a sixth Indo player it shoud have been Mohammed...which would mean Benn stays home.
dat would not have been a likelihood however.
there is favoritism in westindies cricket and one of the ways it expresses itself is in selections such as Benns'. 'there must be a bajan on the side and the best is Benn'
Mohammed would have been left out for Benn if he was the truest African player derived by blood, remaining in the region, but was not, unhappily fuh him... Bajan.!
but dat is favouritism by long-standing tradition not anti Indo anything!
players get stiffed in westindies cricket based on 'who is in charge of cricket on the day'..the territory that controls at the wicb at the moment.
Gayle took dat to quite an extreme, one reason for which he sud have been fired. but it is there and must be reformed, chaged.
but again it is not anti Indo but entirely consistent with advantage rules
THERE IS NO ANTI INDO RACISM IN WESTINDIES CRICKET! I HAVE INVITED ALL THOSE WHO HAVE MADE THOSE ACCUSATIONS TO PROVE DEM IN THE PUBLIC AND SO FORCE REFORM AT THE WICB.
THERE ARE NO FOOLS, INCAPABLES AND UNEDUCATED PEOPLE ON THESE MSBS.
ALL MAN HERE ARE TOP OF THE LINE, WAY BEYOND ME, FULLY CAPABLE OF UNDSTANDING ANYTHING I SAY AND MEAN
SO WHERE ARE THE INDO AND/OR BLAC ACTIVISTS, THE CLR JAMES TYPES.... WHO ARE PREPARED TO DO THE WORK OF PROVING THE CASE OF WICB ANTI INDO RACISM.....PUBLICISNG IT, AND ON THAT BASIS ORGANISE, ON ACCORDING TO THE LAW AND COMMON TRADITIONS, TO BRING REFORM AND CHANGE TO THE WICB, AND SO CHANGE ADMINISTRATIVE STRUCTURE, THE WESTINDIES TEAM, HOW IT IS SELECTED ETC?
I STILL WAITING!
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 05:06 pm |
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Googley wrote: you fooking well know many Indos got shafted in the past.....
Please name dem. Thanks
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 05:17 pm |
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Googley open a can of worms :
and disappear
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 05:20 pm |
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nabeeha wrote: Googley wrote: you fooking well know many Indos got shafted in the past.....
Please name dem. Thanks
Mohammed
Amit Jaggernauth
since dem must be fresh in the minds....
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 05:26 pm |
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Which Ramadin is bim and maps torking 'bout ??
Sonny ?? 
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 05:33 pm |
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I mean I watched allyuh attack Brian Lara unmercifully, totally unjustified, relentlessly...while allyuh had no end of praise for Shive, who in Lara's retirement became exactly what lara was to the westindies....atlas, a one-man show....
another fooking lie!
show me where i attack Lara?
btw= Redbaron looking fuh you!
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 05:56 pm |
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Googley wrote: I mean I watched allyuh attack Brian Lara unmercifully, totally unjustified, relentlessly...while allyuh had no end of praise for Shive, who in Lara's retirement became exactly what lara was to the westindies....atlas, a one-man show....
another fooking lie!
show me where i attack Lara?
btw= Redbaron looking fuh you!
WAT HE LOKIN FUH ME FOR!? I NOT IN DAT!
HE CYAN ALWAY CHECK FAT RIKINI! (FAT ACCORDING TO WAT I SEE ONE OF DEM RUBIES SAY HE IS..FAT!)
I HEAR ALL FAT MEN LIKE DAT, LKE TO TENDERHOOKED DAT WAY
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 05:57 pm |
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Googley wrote: Mohammed
Amit Jaggernauth
since dem must be fresh in the minds....
So neither Mohammed nor Juggernauth get pick. I aint too sure how this leads to the inescapable conclusion that they have not been picked because they are of Indian/Pakistani extraction.
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 06:09 pm |
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Googley wrote: nabeeha wrote: Googley wrote: you fooking well know many Indos got shafted in the past.....
Please name dem. Thanks
Mohammed
Amit Jaggernauth
since dem must be fresh in the minds....
YUH CYAR BE SERIOUS...amit jagernauth? YUH JOKING!
and how come yuh crying racism and doh have the facts at yuh fingah tips?
wat kind of activist are you?
yuh shud be able to reel names off like rote...all the Indos who the blac selectors shut out on racist grounds!
better yuh argue Mohammed. yuh perhaps can get some traction deh! but as I said the there are other reasons far more credible dan anti Indo-ism.
den again Mohammed is not ramdin who made his pik automatic! honest difference of opinion matters here not race!
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 06:11 pm |
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nabeeha wrote: Googley wrote: Mohammed
Amit Jaggernauth
since dem must be fresh in the minds....
So neither Mohammed nor Juggernauth get pick. I aint too sure how this leads to the inescapable conclusion that they have not been picked because they are of Indian/Pakistani extraction.
tell dem...show dem how to think without racist hubris!Last edited on Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 06:11 pm by mapoui
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 06:14 pm |
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ketch_im wrote: Which Ramadin is bim and maps torking 'bout ??
Sonny ??
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 07:44 pm |
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Maps, you have short memory (senile). You forgot that no so long again Jaggs topped the regional (dung heap) bowling average for 3 years in a row and was constantly overlooked for skonts !
And when he finally got a chance, dem play him in a few games and then kick him to the curb!
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 08:01 pm |
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Googley wrote: Maps, you have short memory (senile). You forgot that no so long again Jaggs topped the regional (dung heap) bowling average for 3 years in a row and was constantly overlooked for skonts !
And when he finally got a chance, dem play him in a few games and then kick him to the curb!
Yes but does that indicate a race bias?
The answer is no. What it indicates is the stupidity bias that the WI administration has had for the last 30 years (or indeed since Gibbs and Sobers retired) towards spinners.
The search for the mythical holy grail (WI four prong) has continues unabated. hence any shambolic bowler like Best who can deliver at above 80 mph is readily preferred to a spinner.
So, race bias no, stupidity bias, yes.
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 09:09 pm |
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nabeeha wrote: Googley wrote: Maps, you have short memory (senile). You forgot that no so long again Jaggs topped the regional (dung heap) bowling average for 3 years in a row and was constantly overlooked for skonts !
And when he finally got a chance, dem play him in a few games and then kick him to the curb!
Yes but does that indicate a race bias?
The answer is no. What it indicates is the stupidity bias that the WI administration has had for the last 30 years (or indeed since Gibbs and Sobers retired) towards spinners.
The search for the mythical holy grail (WI four prong) has continues unabated. hence any shambolic bowler like Best who can deliver at above 80 mph is readily preferred to a spinner.
So, race bias no, stupidity bias, yes.
so how do you account for chaps like Miller and Benn getting picked over Jags and Slo Mo?
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 09:29 pm |
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Googley wrote: so how do you account for chaps like Miller and Benn getting picked over Jags and Slo Mo?
Well let's examine the facts.
Jaggs has played 1 test. Mohammed has played 7 tests taking 13 wickets at an avg of 51.38.
Miller has played 1 test. Benn has played 9 tests taking 24 wickets at an avg of 49.08.
So both Miller and Jaggs have been discarded after only one test each - don't quite see the bias here.
Benn has played 2 more tests than Mohammed but Mohammed's numbers are similar to Benns.
As I said when it comes to spinners there is no rhyme or reason to the WI selections. I see evidence of stupidity but not racism.
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Googley wrote: Maps, you have short memory (senile). You forgot that no so long again Jaggs topped the regional (dung heap) bowling average for 3 years in a row and was constantly overlooked for skonts !
And when he finally got a chance, dem play him in a few games and then kick him to the curb!
thats a lie miller beat him twice and him nah play either.
mappy dem talking bout dem dhaniram and timur's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa juss larf ya hear
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 11:09 pm |
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exactly! deh rushing to racism as if all dat has happened in westindies selection, represent some pattern break or something...so dat we see something discernably different and suspicious when it comes to Mohammed and jaggs.
suppose Ralston Otto was named Jaitan Goberdhan! the westindian heavens wudda long fall with Indo din about racism!
the Antiguans an' dem mek nuff noise about Otto!
and on top of wicb bias to pace, westindian spinners have not exactly covered demselves in glory especially since 1970...arriving at very low point with Harper and Butts
in the history of test cricket pace has carried the day always.
the great spin in test cricket has been few and far between....even the fellas like Vettori who are worthy but not great, who could be depended on a few thousand useful overs in between have been equally few.
since 1970 we have had 2..exactly 2 spinners of any note...Ramnarine and McGarrell
if yu have great pace you can be champion. if yu dont you are also ran.
it can pay to spend time and resources looking fuh great pace. its the way to go if yu want to win
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 11:15 pm |
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Mappy
Not all Indos racist
Not all Blacks racist
Not all Whites racist
Not all Chinese racist
NOT all people rciast.
skunt i getting sick of this race shite...
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 11:18 pm |
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thats a lie miller beat him twice and him nah play either.
mappy dem talking bout dem dhaniram and timur's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa juss larf ya hear
I not bugged out by the silly chat!
I wudda pik Mohammed since the Saffie tour when he played first....and stuck with him for a while.
deh did not. currently I wud pik Miller for his tendency to be accurate and cost effective...as well as his batting.
the idea as allyuh say, wud be to use the spinner as he is used and supposedly has become crucial to the modern game.
so if Benn is 49 apiece, and Mohammed is 51...we want 30 from Miller and the wickets he take would be langniappe.
so the idea would be to develop Millers strengths, his accuracy and his smarts for test bowling and use him to shut down the scoring as often as e can and we need him to do so
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 11:21 pm |
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Kakabelly Esq. wrote: Mappy
Not all Indos racist
Not all Blacks racist
Not all Whites racist
Not all Chinese racist
NOT all people rciast.
skunt i getting sick of this race shite...
doh let it beat yu man! yuh allowing it to get yu vex! relax 
its there and it is a problem...a huge one! the more we talk about it the less chance of a real hot fight!
relax and cast a sharp opinion into the mix
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Maps, with the recession i have to work twice as hard. So I get little time to spend here and even less time to read all the posts. But I keep reading some of your posts. Not to worry I am well aware that there is racism. I suppose i always try to look for the best in people. I have been shaped by my esperiences and all peoples have been good to me. I try to be fair. I am hungry now so i better go get some food. cheers
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here you go Maps, your buddy and good fren
The Baron himself!
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I tort it was the Kaisonian the Mighty Baron himself! I click expecting some sweet music!
he have some small case I guess given the way Butts spoke or mis-spoke!
and dat Dowlin selection sucks! dat is one bad pik indeed!
but how is buts racist when 6 Indos on the side?
Narsing get pick on performance he is deserving Narsing have no negative baggage yet. Dowling gathered plenty against Bang!
I would have been very happy to see Danga get pik..and made captain. if Danga was not going to made captain them his pik or not pik is of no importance to me.
Dangas importance to the westrindies now is as captain pure and simple. the batting is langniappe!.
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but why taken on Butts? Butts has spoken shit before. he always talk shit...period. but dat is par for the course with a bureaucratic and careerist.
Butts is pure ambition and he is well on his way up the westindian ladder.
Butts care about race? wat do fellas like dat care about?
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I dont see that redbaron and Rikiniki et all as any different that what deh accuse Butts, of...Roberts and Greenidge etc
deh probably far worse racist dan those fellas, if indeed those fellas are racist
yu know what I wud do had the authority....
at the very next change date of selectors I would canvass Aficionado as to the Indos deh would be happy with as selectors and appoint dem all....all selectors Indos!
just Indos thats all I wud consider...so deh wud have to give me their list of the 3 deh want.
den I wud expand the committee to 5 adding Redbaron himself and Ri-skini
thats right!
when people making so much noise about something deh actually want it! so gih dem and let dem do the better, fairer, transparent job deh imply deh know how to do!
jess gih dem man! and mek dem 'top de damm noise!
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| doan mind baron and dem their agenda is clear crocro in dem skunt. if Ganga could bat he would have been captain long ago but the fact remains the skunt can't bat
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