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lets just tek ova de damn country or give it back to India
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Posted: Wed Oct 21st, 2009 12:37 pm |
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Googley wrote: lets just tek ova de damn country or give it back to India
minus the people...deh too troublesome!
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http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15719
Jundallah and the Geopolitics of Energy by Muhammad Sahimi
Pakistan Shutters All Schools as War Intensifies
Pakistani Military Faces Stiff Resistance in Trying to Occupy Tiny Village
Up to 320 Civilians Killed in Pakistan Drone War
US 'Encouraged' by South Waziristan Offensive
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I asked Googley and ketchi wat deh thought about India at the Crossroads and Pakistan stating a civil war against its own people at America request....but their answers are not important...not dat deh would have answered anyway
the question begs: why would any elite attack their own people for the sake of a forriner, a forrin elite and their interests?
what in heavens is it that he USA...ultimately the Jewish people...have over the elite seemingly in every country, that makes them turn against their own people, rist destructionm just to please the insane power in the world?
is the insane world power really the devil himself whose power cannot be resisted?
so Pakistan attacks Iran at the behest of the power, killing very important Iranians!
will Iran retaliate against Pakistan?
and what will Pakistan do if Iran attacks?
Pakistan has nuclear weapons! is that the point of it all...for Iran and Pakistan to destroy each other making America/Israeli attack unnecessary?
interesting!
I thought ketchi would have an interesting take on the pakistan side of things.
and India!?
Indian was a perfectly sane nation from 1947....at least in its relationship with the world.
then the Gandhis/Shastri were systematically killed off and in their place quickly grew a rabid Indian right wing, replete with its own extreme Indian chauvinism - ethnic and nationalist exclusivity.
now Indian world movement is a twin with the west, for all intent and purpose the same thing. India is now a crazy country, as crazy as the world power, has hitched its wagons to evil in the world and its destruction seems sure as a result.
THE WEST, THE INSANE WORLD POWER, CAN HAVE NO OTHER PURPOSE BEWTEEN CHINA AND INDIA THAN TO PIT THEM AGAINST EACH OTHER, TO CAUSE THEM TO DESTROY EACH OTHER!
ONLY THE WEST, ISRAEL CAN GAIN FROM SUCH A DEVELOPMENT AND HERE THER ARE IN THE MIDDLE FOMENTING THE SHIT, SUPPLYING ALL THAT IS ESSENTIAL FOR CHINESE/INDIAN CONFLICT.
AND THE CRAZY INDIAN RIGHT WING IS GPOING ALOSN SO EASILY, LIKE LEMMINGS TO THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION.
wat is the wurl to look like in 10-20 years? the Bronx thats what! the american military, feed by all the money in that nations, realising profits like an endless river for its zionist owners is currently burning up the world.
Iraq has already been burnt! Georgia and afghanistan almost burnt! So too Somalia! Yemen is in flames, Pakistan as well as Palestine! Seperatist movement and confrontation between muslims and Han chinese in China.
Iran is now attacked and as the Turks have come out against Israel we can expect that nation to be attacked in some way as well...probably clandestine regime change!
America for the most part is already bombed out, no urban renewal taking place over that entire nation. if that trend continues America will grow to look more and more like the shithouse it is starting to look like already
and dem there are the leftist nations of latin America whose turn has already come with the coup in Honduras!
seems like the choice has come to the ordinary folk in the world rise up or be beaten into submission. it looks like we will be beaten inot submission ayway whether we fight back or not.
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you clearly don't understand the mindset of the nuts in that region.!
i suggest u have more conversation with Ketch!!
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Googley wrote: you clearly don't understand the mindset of the nuts in that region.!
i suggest u have more conversation with Ketch!!
yu prolly right! but I din arks dat! all did was arks who benefits and in wat way!
dat seems to be lall dats necessary!
no matter their flavour the nuts are being used
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Googley is right and Mapoui is kinda right.
It is sad to see what is happening in Pakistan and so many other countries. Guyana is a heaven.
Mappy, is Pakistan really attacking its own people on behalf of America? What about the crime/suicidal attacks of the Tollyban on the innocents? What kinda leader are you Mappy? It is difficult but the government has a right to "manage" any form of insurgency.
On the other hand, poor Pakistan is caught in a trap. They are under a lot of pressure from USA and western coutnries. But this story does not have end. Can you blame the USA and western countries when we have the spread of terrorrism.
Then again, like i say, the story does not have end. What if the USA and western countires force a solution to the mid-east problem - give the Palestinians what they deserve - a homeland, quit the Arab countries and turn down the rhetoric, should we not see change? I suspect things will get better in the short run but I certainly dont see an end to the terrorism.
On balance, I support countries who want to bring and end to terrorism. I support the end of war. I support a state for Palestine. And I support a state, the state of Isreal. I support Hindus, Muslims, Blacks, Whites, Asians, Africans. I WANT FUCKING peace but who the hell am I?
I am not a REALIST. Life is too complicated.
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well rather than 'who am I to want peace?' don we are ordinary joes have a right to peace?
wat is america doing in Pak man! Iraq and Afghanistan?
who profits from the wars! again...who benefits?
it seems to me that there has grown up in the world a monopoly and a few people through a few corporations own and control almost everything, everywhere, save perhaps China.
all the trouble in the world in the world appears to flow from this source, benefit this source, meet their interests.
the shape the world is taking as a result of all the wars and the target of the wars benefit Israel and the Zionists. these same people through control of the america federal reserve has had so much money over the last 96 years they have bought up everthign worth owning in the world including goverments...most significantly the american government.
and with this power they are used and are using the american power to attack and shape the world just the way they want it.
there is no terrorism in the world save what this ame power foments. the american CIA has admited Al quieda is noothng more than their own fabrication. so too is Jundallah that has been used to attack Iran recently.
and that story goes on and on and on! there are no Iranians, Iraquis, Afghanis or Pakistanis attacking america. but all over the Islamic world there are american soldeirs/european soldiers attacking those nations!
who are the terrorists them!?
someone must prove right about here once recent act of terrorism in the western world that has been perpetrated by Arabs on any scale at all?
it must be proven that the acts dat can be cited are not acts conceived and carried out by western covert intelligence which is what they all most certainly are, all almots proven to be just that already...carried out to get americans and europeans angry and so agree to the the wars that are being fought and those that are in planning stages!
despite all the evidence that proves that 9-11 was an inside job the emerica government refuses to hold an open, transparent investigation although that is precisely what the america people in poll after poll say they want.
so who are the terrorists then...framed Arabs or western intelligence agencies!?
they all have invetesd huge wealth in militaryy production and standing military forces. they must usde them to justify their existence and to keep the money flowing. in the process they are screwing the planet, cutting it up in pieces, destroying the Islamic world in particular, to get control of oil supplies and to eliminate what Israel considers threatening.
Israel has no right to Israel. the Ashkanaze Jew...the great majority of jewish people in the world...are jewish converts, not actual Jews, from central Asia, not Africa and the middle east. they have no claim to that land.
the best for them that should come out of Palestine is a plural state, one that includes all the people who now live there in a democracy...one man, one vote..bicamewral legislature or however they chose to organise it.
other than that the Ashkanze should leave and go, back to central asia where they came from and integrate into states there.
the Ashkanaze must abide by the rules of history taht has left us with a varigated world population as well nationalist boundaries that are now hard and fast.
those historiacl rules gurantees the Ashkanaze nothing like what deh are after, certainly no state at all.... far less one at the cost of the elimination of the entire population that existed on some piece of land they want anyway.
all that shit in history is done...pass and gone. we abide by what the ages of such behaviour left...the populations and nations that exist today. there is no possibility of any redrawing of maps anymore.
the world is one, integrating further everyday. seperation, isolation is a thing of the past! unintelligent, stultifying, serves no progressive or practical purpose... and isdangerous to human survival
we are no longer to repeat the behaviour of the past, our immaturity violence, murderous greed, the genocide of whole populations just to satisfy the stupid, inaccurate and ridiculous beliefs of a rump of people...not even 20 millions in a world of 6 billion.
it is time to see the truth Sir Kakabelly and deal with in fairness to and for all all. that is the only water that will put out the fiyah now burning up planet earth
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Maps, you thinking too hard. You are gettin worked up for the big things.
Let me ask you. Do you know you neighbors? I am talking about the ones living next to you.
How peace among the neigbahs dem?
what about the community? things going well?
if you are dat serious about bringing peace, start right there.
be the change - MK Gandhi
Stop getting worked up what America is doing. She has a right to find the terrorist that killed innocent people. Same thing is happening the Pak and India. Innocent people are dying. The Talibans rule with force and will not hesitate to kill. There comes a time when you have to fight fire with fire. Now is that time.
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Googley wrote: She has a right to find the terrorist that killed innocent people.
I am reading this over and over as slowly as I can .....and am concerned about the
state of mind of this poster ....
It is as though the lies.... post 9/11 that murdered muslims , never occured ...
Maybe Googs can supply us with a # .....of murdered Palestinians and Iraqis over the
last decade ....
An estimate will suffice........lets start from Bush Senior in the Gulf War ...
The Vietnam War is too long ago ...
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Googley wrote: Maps, you thinking too hard. You are gettin worked up for the big things.
Let me ask you. Do you know you neighbors? I am talking about the ones living next to you.
How peace among the neigbahs dem?
what about the community? things going well?
if you are dat serious about bringing peace, start right there.
be the change - MK Gandhi
Stop getting worked up what America is doing. She has a right to find the terrorist that killed innocent people. Same thing is happening the Pak and India. Innocent people are dying. The Talibans rule with force and will not hesitate to kill. There comes a time when you have to fight fire with fire. Now is that time.
getting worked up!?
if I get worked up who have more cause to get worked up!?
but I am not worked up in the sense yu imply!
but MK was and is wrong there yu know. I am the change if being peaceful is wat it takes. I am peaceful although I dont see wat difference it makes.
and I know other peaceful people too...friends of mine who are not politicaly oriented, live their lives well and are utterly uninterested in war, deceitfullness and cunning, ripping others off etc.
and deh too are the change if peaceful is wat change is... wat it takes!
but it takes progressive evolution of the relations of production to make peace...change which is only now possible for people given the stage of achieved material development in the wrold
your argument here makes little sense Googs!
you can and do talk as yu do only because you believe you are on top, you are not attacked, things flowing your way and you will win in the end.
that can be heard in your voice!
but if you were Muslim or African and/or both, anywhere in the world, I bet there would be a different timber to your sound...one more like mine!
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this over and over as slowly as I can .....and am concerned about the
state of mind of this poster .... me too! He is mih fren! I am worried!
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She has a right to find the terrorist that killed innocent people.
and finding the killers, the supposed terorists of 9/11, includes the creation of an Iranian dissident group..'Jundullah'... conceived, created and financed by the USA...and sending this group in with bombs, to kill Iranian citizens in bunches...top brass Iranians?
WHAT DID IRAN HAVE TO DO WITH 9/11...OR ANY TERRORIST ACT IN THE WEST SINCE WHENEVER?
Iran has never carried out any terrorist act against any western country in my knowledge!
Iran and america got involved back in the late seventies....ON IRANIAN SOIL!
it is critical...the answer to the obvious question: what was america doing on Iranian soil in the seventies...indeed from 1953 stright up to the time the Ayatollah kicked them out?
and again the question that that leads to...what was important about 1953 in Iran that led to american involvement in that country, till deh were kicked out 26 years later?
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http://politicaltheatrics.org/2009/10/23/obamas-delay-or-why-israel-might-nuke-iran/
this too is finding a few killers...right!?
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no wonder Turkey has dissed their blood brothers, the ashkanazes!
now the context seems balanced. Israel is planning to blast Iran to kingdon come and the Turks cant accept it!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsrMzfhdmkU
look at this then Googs!
I want yu to pay special attention to depleted uranium...238.
"yu had nutten to do with 9/11 and deh come and leave DU...238...` all over your country"
but even if Iraq had something to do with 9/11 wat is the point of DU?
DU has a half life of 4.5 billion years. it cant be cleaned up!
why do the americans make weapons with DU when the use of these weapons only expands the DU spreads it further and maximises human infection?
4.5 billion years is more time than our sun has left to burn.
all that lives by the sun will be dead and gorne before DU loses its ability to instantaneously affect biological life forms and lead to total disfigurement of their biological profile!
what you are looking at in the muslim world Googs is UTTER AND ABSOLUTE GENOCIDE! THE PEOPLE DOING IT INTEND TO KILL -OFF THE ENTIRE MUSLIM POPULATIONS THERE-IN, WHILE LEAVING THE LAND RAZED AND UNFIT FOR HUMAN HABITIATION EVER AGAIN!
CAN HUMANITY CONTINUE FOR MUCH LONGER CARRYING ON OUR COLLECTIVE HEAD THESE SINS THAT ARE NOW BEING COMMITTED IN THE NAME OF THE DEVIL...THE JEWISH DEVIL?
THIS IS NOT THE FRENCH REVOLUTION AND ITS TERROR...OR THE GUILLOTINE! OR THE RUSSIAN COUNTERPART TO THE FRENCH TERROR. A LEAST HERE WERE SOME REASONS IN THOSE EVENTS
THIS IS NOT RWANDA OR ARMENIA!
THIS IS STRAIGHT MASS MURDER, GENOCIDE FOR THE SAFETY AND PROFIT OF ONE DOMINANT GROUP OF THE HUMAN SPECIES! THIS IS NOT RWANDA OR ARMENIA!
yu see wat you are justifying Googs, by you easy, flippant dismissal of mass murder.!
but I warn you! the people who are doing this are monsters...pure and utter devils, without a shred of human feeling and empathy.
and these devils have no love for any but themselves and their kind.
they have no love for 'you and your kind' Googs, although I wud swear on my money that you think that they do.
they have no plans for you too in the world man, especially a billion plus of you?
that will challenge them and as they have pointed out clearly, they have no intention of tolerating any competition now and in the future.
so you can be absolutely certain that up or dong the road, deh have something planned for you and your billion too...and the other billion plus next door.
and you can be certain that it will be every bit as disgusting, painful, prejudicial, brutal and complete as what the Muslims have to deal with now.
what you see in that movie there is the near future for the entire world, even for poor white people... for the Devil in human skin and flesh have no use for them too in their numbers.
allyuh think its still joke time, fun time! its way too late for that.
Humanity as a whole is an abomination on the earth, a disgusting pestilence, a grusome lifeform that begs the question...is here all there is to life?
yu see it is crucial for there to be meaing to life to be able to live it at all...humane meaning and actuality, comunity, democacy, peace, life built and lived in truth.
none of that exists now. it is as if the good side and potential of humanity has been eridicated and the evil spread in its place.
is this all there is to humanity?
the question slams the face as we awake in the morning. is this all we are, that a rump of about 20 million people in the whole world...Jews...can manipulate over hundereds of years to appropriate all the wealth and power of the species, only to make a pigs breakfast of its life?
the Jews control america and europe, probably Russia as well, controll all the weaponry which they use liberally...weaponry tipped now with DU that goes on killing indefinetly, horribly, disgustingly.
6 billion people have allowed a small rump to take over the planet, to posses all the power and to threaten its very existence!
and the jewish people...the most coldly evil thing the human species has ever produced, a crystalisation of all the insanity in the world, the single greatest concentration mental illness ever accumulated in one place and in one people....
these could have done good as easily as they have done evil in the world.
they have ceaselessly manipulated, controlled and conditioned people for evil in the world, not to do good. as easily as people are conditioned for shit deh can be conditioned for good. we can see that fact around us clearly. yet the evil flows!
who are the jews...the Devil himself?
look at what deh have done to planet earth...continue doing to planet earth...and we let them!
incredible!
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Kakabelly Esq. wrote: A lot of truth in what yu say maps. But where do you start and where do you stop? I moving to A new planet.
no need to move! there is an answer staring yu in the face! but you are too Enamoured of your idea of capitalism, too invested in the murderous sytem that yu deny truth in order to maintian the indefensible!
the answer is a new people centred, dominant way of doing business in the world! t
hat is the truth, the pure and whole truth and nothing but the truth.
we are arrived at a point at which there must be qualitative social change and the options are two: descent into utter barbarism and social chaos...or revolution and democracy.
the ordinary people of the world, including you, have no option but revolution, for the barbarism that is developing in front of their eyes and noses has no room for us.
it does not matter whether all the people are conscious of the potentials or not.
we have been living and doing things, making social organisation and production as deh have been possible. this has all produced all that exists on this day, the potentials we face
those who have spent their lives understanding society have revealed a lot to us all and from their work we can see truth..some of which I have try to dscribe here.
having no choice the ordinary folk all over planet earth must rise now and change social reality in their interest and name.
the wars must be comprehensively organised against, with lightening speed, before insane Israel drops nuclear bombs on Iran.
this anti-war organisation..that starts as anti-war but morphs into full revolution mode.... in its completeness must shut down society everywhere, by simply downing tools and coming out in the streets to 'party'
the anti-war organisation must create a global labour strike...not another anvil will be lifted in the making of another product, in the creation of wealth that pays for war.
such an anti-war movement appeals to the armies of the world, takes the case of human survival to them and enlist them too, in the ant-war movement!
there is bound to be sufficient response from the soldiers to cripple the military effort.
the anti-war movement must take the case to the police as well, expose reality to them, expose the fact that they too, are considered drones by the elite and there are means afoot to fix them into place..ultimately to replace them by robotic law enforcement.
the case taken to the militaries would be the positive, inclusive alternative future the people proposem. they must be made to understand what they would be attacking in the name and interest of the minority elite
the militaries must be presented with the truth that alleigiance to law and constitution is allegiance to the people, for the people alive now, in their collective, are the law and the constitution, not the dead paper written centuries ago in most cases.
all things must be updated and if we can see our way in the future to so monitor social flow as to be in postion to constantly update everything at all times... it wud be to the good.
but the ordinary people and their current interest represent an updating of society everywhere, the change that is necessary for life to continue positively and not descend into barbarism and human extinction.
the ordinary people in social movement are the ground, the fundamental law of social existence. what the people created in such movement in the past have always been the advance that has taken society forward...not what any elite did or can do.
no elite is ever in any position to take society forward. elites are always the opportunistic, those who have exploited the advance, exhaust it, and at points of qualitative change block further social advance
when the current postive institutued by the people in revolutionary movement has been exhausted, the opportunistice elite seeks to cut society into patterns able to carry them forever in their exploitation of the people.
that is what is happening now..the capitalists who took advantage of the revolutions of the past are now blocking social advance, as capitalism has come to its end, exhausted, run aground on a shoal of monoploy!
there is no where for monopoly capitalism to go now, no where at all, save into the most complete barbarism known to history, given the technological level of the stage we have arrived at.
but for yu Sir K...yu shud know that there will probably always be business going orn in social life, run by ordinary people to meet social need...in all socieities, exchange for money just like now!
business may even be relatively sizeable. but that would be business to aid the society and its dvelopment. it wouldd not be a capitalism at all...that would dominate society from top to bottom running everything...into society into the ground.
there was never a need for that and never again will such a type of human ever rise into social domination, should the revolution succeed.
capitalism gave opportunity for this most criminal, utterly disastrous type of human being to rise to the top and dominate society. revolutionary change will eliminate them and any such possibility of occurring again.
if the ordinary peole rise up today, not in violence but in totality, and shut soceity down, that will begin the reclamation of human beings, their advance into full knowledge to the heights achieved on the day.
such rise would be a complete expression of collective humanity, the best and most humane action, fitting the people out to create new ways of social organisation capable of taking humanity forward.
taking the case to the military and the police, emphasisng the truth, demonstrating to them the rightness of the social change they demand and intend to effect, poining out that the people are the constitution, one and the same as the paper dpocument they swore to.....that all of them are brothers and sisters of somebody out there in the collective, fathers and uncles, mothers and relatives of some kind to the people....
at the worst, such presentaions will split the military forces rendering any attack on the people small and easily defeated.
in fact such presentations will render any attack on the revolutionary movement impossible, leaving the momnopolistic elite with no defences, as the small, sick and disgusting rump thay are!
as such they can be arrested and tried for all their crimes against humanity, and locked away somewhere, to die-off, as society goes its own progressive, democratic way.
but it is the realisation of the truth and what must be done, the courage in doing it and the creation of the democracy, that would reclaim and cleanse ordinary humanity of its current degradation, refit the people for the forward movement that will save the species from itself.
and that is the very simpe truth..or some of it! truth that yu do know Sir K! you have to divest your self I suspect of an ethnocentrism and an alliegiance for disaster capitalism to see and accept this simplicity!
HUMANITY CANNOT SURVIVE ANY FURTHER IN CAPITAISM IN ANY FORM... NOR WITH THE EXPLOITATIVE SOCIAL DIVISIONS OF RACISM, CLASSICISM, GENDER, ISSUES, ANTAGONISTIC NATIONALISMS, THE GENERAL PROPAGANDA AND NEGATIVE SOCIAL CONDITIONING THAT CAPITALISM IS BASED ON... AND MUST MAINTAIN IN ORDER TO HAVE CAPITALISM.
DATS IT! CHANGE OR DIE! IT APPLIES NOT ONLY TO THE INDIVIDUAL BUT TO HUMANITY AS A WHOLE!
REVOLUTION WILL NOT ONLY FREE US FROM THE VULTURES BUT CLEAN US UP, MAKE US FIT AND ENERGISED AGAIN FOR LIVING LIFE POSITIVELY
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Mappy wrote about Kaka "no need to move! there is an answer staring yu in the face! but you are too Enamoured of your idea of capitalism, too invested in the murderous sytem that yu deny truth in order to maintian the indefensible!
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Kakabelly Esq. wrote: Mappy wrote about Kaka "no need to move! there is an answer staring yu in the face! but you are too Enamoured of your idea of capitalism, too invested in the murderous sytem that yu deny truth in order to maintian the indefensible!
Kaka replies: Shut yu skunt
ha ha ha ha! is wood in mih skunt eh!
oh well! I conveyed the wrong impression. leh mih see if I cyan say wat I meant properly....
I meant you are a strong believer in capitalism as a systematic way of doing the worlds business...not that you agree with or is invested in any murderous attitude and actuality, by any country that calls itself capitalist.
I did not mean monetary investment in murder...by investment I meant BELIEF in the system production of commodities and exchange for profit, which you have implied is a the best way to get things going... and to keep things going!
I said it all wrong! I apologise!
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Posted: Wed Oct 28th, 2009 04:19 am |
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Dont apologize. I just kiddin.
I saw Michael Moore's capitalism. Very powerful.
I believe in working hard for what you want. I believe the rich should share some of what they have with the poor. I believe that lazy skunts should get no help. I believe those who try hard should get help when needed. I believe government has a role to play. I dont believe in communism. I dont believe tha thte rich must just enjoy and let the poor live in hell. So what does it make me - a Canadian, I guess.
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Posted: Wed Oct 28th, 2009 04:47 pm |
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Kakabelly Esq. wrote: I dont believe in communism. So what does it make me - a Canadian, I guess.
Certainly not a PPP Jaganite from Guyana !!
Why did Cheddi promote Communism to Indo_Guyanese ............
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 04:07 pm |
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ketch_im wrote: Kakabelly Esq. wrote: I dont believe in communism. So what does it make me - a Canadian, I guess.
Certainly not a PPP Jaganite from Guyana !!
Why did Cheddi promote Communism to Indo_Guyanese ............
look haul u sk$%t!
what did he DO that offended u so much?
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 09:09 pm |
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Googs said to Maps 'Let me ask you. Do you know you neighbors?'
I almost fell off the chair Googs.. LOL
Mappy takes on big problems arright
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 09:21 pm |
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Jagan would not have gone to Russia if had recd help from USA
If he had won the elections he would NOT have stayed in alliance with USSR.
Luckhoo and the American media constructed the events to make him like a communist. He was a nationalist.
that beingg said, he certainly had faults, like every other human being
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 04:34 am |
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Kakabelly Esq. wrote: Dont apologize. I just kiddin.
I saw Michael Moore's capitalism. Very powerful.
I believe in working hard for what you want. I believe the rich should share some of what they have with the poor. I believe that lazy skunts should get no help. I believe those who try hard should get help when needed. I believe government has a role to play. I dont believe in communism. I dont believe tha thte rich must just enjoy and let the poor live in hell. So what does it make me - a Canadian, I guess.
look at this! in a democracy there will be too much work to be done. the work to be done to bring all societies up to speed outstrips the hands available to accomplish this task for a hundered years!
until probably technology is developed that relieves at least most or all of the drudge work.
it is such a democray that eliminate laziness, parasitism and the skuntishness you list!
capitalism encourages evil period. democracy eliminates evil! there will be no place for the lazy to hide.
if security is then guranteed it cannot be..would not be... guranteed by taxing the wealth or work of others to feed the lazy, when there is work everywhere to be done...good productive work in the interests of society.
there would not be wealth as we understand it currently! and there would be no central banks counterfeiting the money and ripping everybody off, necessiciating income taxes.
there will be no income taxes and money will be printed according to the needs of the governments by the governments such as they are maintained at no cost to the people.
if the government owns the currency money would not come into being as loans to the government, on which the government must pay interest and tax the people for that money.
the government prints money when needed, to do work that expands the society, which expansion pays for itself and keeps a solvent balance going.
business would be/could be a part of the social process...business that provide services and production goods at which peole make livelihoods.
but under no circumstance would the new dispensation allow business to emerge into capitalism again at the expense of the people.
the new way initiates its own conditioning so in a couple of generations, the democratic society would have conditioned the people by its new standards and practise... and people live and reporduce the democracy on an on-going and advancing level...much as they lived and repoduced capitalism through its phases in the past!
the gurantor of individual survival in the democracy would be working for a living.
free education, health care, free facilites like libraries, parks etc. but no welfare for there wold be need for none. welfare is not the point! the production of capable, independent, self-reliant citizens, for the purpose of the indefinite survival fo the spcies would be the point.
save for the taking care of the incapacitated, cripled etc. and the challenge oer time of solving all human maladies and incapacitations, restoring as many or all people to productive life, I do not see any need for society taking care of anybody.
all would have the means to take care of themselves in the society created by them the people to provide the proper frame for the most complee human development
also the prevention of illness by fostering healthy lifestyles etc.
man it is the democray that will focus and unsparing light on laziness and parasitism and kill it off quickly indeed!
Last edited on Fri Oct 30th, 2009 05:11 am by mapoui
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 05:15 am |
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Kakabelly Esq. wrote: Googs said to Maps 'Let me ask you. Do you know you neighbors?'
I almost fell off the chair Googs.. LOL
Mappy takes on big problems arright
googs is ah impse!
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 03:27 pm |
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| ah still waiting to hear Maps ansa...i bet he never more than 10 words to he neigba!
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