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Posted: Sat Nov 14th, 2009 05:48 am |
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Damn, I did not know that on our last tour of Australia Shivnarine Chandepaul was the captain.
The scorecards make pretty sorry reading.
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TEST AVERAGES WI vs AUSTRALIA 2005
1. Lara 57.50
2. Bravo 53.50
3. Ramdin 34.20
4. Sarwan 27.33
5. Gayle 25.75
6. Samuels 18.66
7. Smith 18.33
8. Chanderpaul 14.50
From this it is fairly evident which players have to step up!!
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Posted: Sat Nov 14th, 2009 03:12 pm |
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nabeeha wrote: Damn, I did not know that on our last tour of Australia Shivnarine Chandepaul was the captain.where were you?
The scorecards make pretty sorry reading.
well! things might be different dis time. look wat gayle sayin:
http://www.cricinfo.com/ausvwi09/content/story/434353.html?CMP=NLC-DLY
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Posted: Sat Nov 14th, 2009 03:16 pm |
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mapoui wrote: well! things might be different dis time. look wat gayle sayin:
I do not think Ganga could have said it any better!!!
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what i remember most about that tour was the blatent teefing of the umpires in those first two tests, if i remember rightly west indies got an aopolgy from the icc after that, but the result still stands.
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Posted: Mon Nov 16th, 2009 12:28 pm |
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sir bim wrote: what i remember most about that tour was the blatent teefing of the umpires in those first two tests, if i remember rightly west indies got an aopolgy from the icc after that, but the result still stands.
tiefin and favouritims has always been a great part of Oz consisent 'winning'
dat nabeeha never counts in his assesment!
but I do which is why the real comparabe strenght of Oz oppostion is always nearer a nile or balance than the results suggest.
dat is the major reason I hate the Oz and dem skunt an' always want sides to beat dem.
EVER SIINCE AS A BWOY WHEN i CAME CONSCIOUS INTO WESTINDIES CRICKET A BLATANTLY TIEFING OZ WAS A MAJOR FACTOR.
YU CUD NOT GO TO OZ AND WIN A SERIES FAIR AND SQUARE FUH NONE OF THE TEAMS OF COLOUR. AND YU STILL CANT WITH THE STINKIN' 'ELITE EMPIRES'
FUCK THE OZ!
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Posted: Mon Nov 16th, 2009 12:31 pm |
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nabeeha wrote: mapoui wrote: well! things might be different dis time. look wat gayle sayin:
I do not think Ganga could have said it any better!!!
yuh better believe dat he cud and can! 
he just did it to much greater effect and representation of the actual facts on the ground, when titty went all the way to the T20 final 
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Posted: Mon Nov 16th, 2009 01:44 pm |
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mapoui wrote: tiefin and favouritims has always been a great part of Oz consisent 'winning'
dat nabeeha never counts in his assesment!
Something does not add up here.
There is no doubt tiefing existed before the emergence of "neutral" umpires but the tiefing applied all round unless you going to tell me that Oz tiefed us but when they toured we were so gentemanly that we did not return the compliment.
With "neutral" umps in place allyuh saying that the umps still tiefing for Oz and I do not buy that.
I remember a series a few years ago when India toured Oz. Bucknor made some marginal decsions against India. Shoiuld I conclude that Bucknor is biased against India?
Poor umpiring is poor umpiring. Problem is with weaker sides poor decisions are magnified. So for example if an lbw against Ponting is turned down and a replay shows that the decision was bad you better believe that the fielding side will probably pay a very heavy price. Now if that was a WI batter then there is a damn good chance that the batsman will not take advantage and another chance will come along pretty soon.
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Posted: Mon Nov 16th, 2009 02:21 pm |
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| yes but neutral umpires were supposed to stop teefing, but in fact all it has done is make it difficult for the darkie teams to win at home because the elites will always favour england/oz yes even the black ones like fucknor and brown ones like ashoka, add to the mix the shameless crooks like tiffin/harper rudi skuntzun and who was that one from Zimbabwe mapster?
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Posted: Mon Nov 16th, 2009 02:36 pm |
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Something does not add up here.
There is no doubt tiefing existed before the emergence of "neutral" umpires but the tiefing applied all round unless you going to tell me that Oz tiefed us but when they toured we were so gentemanly that we did
wat does not add up? man are yu from here?
take a look a James beyond a boundary where he describes the 'bottle peltin' at the Oval in 1960, dat stopped a test match...or in Jamaica in 1968...at Bourasz in 1953 or 1954.
den hear him talk about the class of people westindian empire came from and how deh had sided with the forriner as the westindian struggle for independence picked up steam and found expression on the cricket fields especially in test cricket.
on top of dat we westindians until lately had been unmercifully hard on our own.
things had to be letter-perfect on our side for them to come down fairly in a matter.
otherwise it was always for the forriner.
it seems to me yu doh really know the westindies from all you have been talking all along.
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I agree. All I remember from dat series iz de Teefing
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Posted: Mon Nov 16th, 2009 02:43 pm |
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unless you going to tell me that Oz tiefed us but when they toured we were so gentemanly that we did
and do yu know dat dat in fact was the case! dat westindians were in fact so gentlemanly dat we did not tief any touring team.
an' dat treatment extended to the whole tour for never were toruing teams treated so beautifully than when teams toured the westindian region.
westindians bent-over backward to make sure that their months in the regions was one of pure sweetness...a situation which was never returned in kind when westindies toured.
I remember in 1978 when Mustaq Mohammed the Pak skipper was ketching he arse and not scoring, and the meida speculated that he was lonely and missing his wife and family.....the Titty businessman Leslie Armoogam paid for Mustaqs wife to come to the caribbean forthwhith!
she duly arrived and Mustaq scored a century and Pak won!
I dont know of any westindian businessman ever doing that for a westindian player save he was white and named Stollmeyer or Gomez...
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Posted: Mon Nov 16th, 2009 02:48 pm |
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hahahahahahaha.....he really brought Mushie Wifey over ??
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Posted: Mon Nov 16th, 2009 02:48 pm |
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sir bim wrote: yes but neutral umpires were supposed to stop teefing, but in fact all it has done is make it difficult for the darkie teams to win at home because the elites will always favour england/oz yes even the black ones like fucknor and brown ones like ashoka, add to the mix the shameless crooks like tiffin/harper rudi skuntzun and who was that one from Zimbabwe mapster?
I doh recall his name mihself...and I wont spend the time to find out.
we jess know the skunt as a tiefing elitel empire! HHMC!
but for dem elite skunt and dem Ponting and Tendy wud prolly still be chasin lara!
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Posted: Mon Nov 16th, 2009 02:49 pm |
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ketch_im wrote: hahahahahahaha.....he really brought Mushie Wifey over ??
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Posted: Mon Nov 16th, 2009 03:03 pm |
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Lookit here , we are Caribbean people ......and we play Sports the way it was intended.
We doan teef , our Bats walk when we know we edged de ball , we doan claim catches ,
and we give Tips to Opposition players to Improve their Game...
We are also the MOST hospitable hosts in the World !!
Thats just the way we are !!
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| ketchy any skunt batsman that walks should be sacked and sent home, walk ta rass rass ive been given out lbw when i middle the ball, walk me ass. i wouldn't claim a catch though
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Posted: Mon Nov 16th, 2009 03:34 pm |
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ketch_im wrote: Lookit here , we are Caribbean people ......and we play Sports the way it was intended.
We doan teef , our Bats walk when we know we edged de ball , we doan claim catches ,
and we give Tips to Opposition players to Improve their Game...
We are also the MOST hospitable hosts in the World !!
Thats just the way we are !!
well I am westindian and I cyar hold myself to be dat...certainly not anymore.
I doh advocate inhospitality...nor do I advocate tiefing! but something has to give!
ideally it shoud give at the wicb where deh start representing westindian interest as deh shoud .
we must get a resolution to the elite empire skuntery immdediately. and I doh recomend no westindian businessman paying to resolve no problem for no touring team.
deh have to organise their situation for themselves. and if in the middle of a tour deh realise de shud have something deh do not have den let dem resolve it demselves.
deh all the means of doing so..so let dem...no matter facting wat is said in the media.
if a westindian businessman have money to toss around in cricket, there is plenty use and need of it in the westindian game.
let him have identified, where his money can be of best used in the development of the westindian game and let him put it there
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Posted: Mon Nov 16th, 2009 03:40 pm |
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and wen we on tour wicb must insist on certain minimums in the treatment of our players....in threat of legal action if these minimums are not met, and treatment injurious of our players in any way is experienced by them.
we will not falter in our hospitality to forriners...but we will not at the same time, tolerate the nhiggardly treament of our own in forrin lands
dats how the rarse wicb shud be!
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Posted: Mon Nov 16th, 2009 04:49 pm |
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Please note :
The Referral System is being used in this Series.
So none ah dat Umpire error nonsense....
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Posted: Mon Nov 16th, 2009 05:25 pm |
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ketch_im wrote: Please note :
The Referral System is being used in this Series.
So none ah dat Umpire error nonsense....
what do Capt gail have to say about the referral system?
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Posted: Mon Nov 16th, 2009 06:10 pm |
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mapoui wrote: and do yu know dat dat in fact was the case! dat westindians were in fact so gentlemanly dat we did not tief any touring team.
Allyuh need to listen to yourselves. So now West Indies is the only place where touring teams were guaranteed a fair shake because West Indians are such nice people. Please.....
The fact is that all people remember is when tiefing occurred against them - that is human nature. And I am sorry but I do not buy the argument that Bucknor was prejudiced against black/brown teams.
Since neutral umpires were introduced I do not see bias but rather incompetence and there is a difference.
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Posted: Mon Nov 16th, 2009 06:55 pm |
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Allyuh need to listen to yourselves. So now West Indies is the only place where touring teams were guaranteed a fair shake because West Indians are such nice people. Please.....
wat does one call the reading dat yu do?
I defy yu to go through anything dat was said up to now, by bim ketchie or me and precisely note where we said any such thing as you yu state above.
yu have to be careful how yu glean yu impressions. it is best to leave wat was unsaid so and take no inplication from it.
I was about to state dat the first time I see ah westindian ump tief fuh de westindies in the westinsie was against Pak at the Oval in 1988 I believ.
Viv was out and if deh sent him westindies wud prolly have lost. as it was Viv made 123 and won the game for the westindies....no! draw the game fuh de westindies
I remember the Pak legspinner Quadir, got so pissed he had to be restrained and paid a fine or so for his resistance.
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Naby
I admire your tenacity and consistency. You see the game fair and square. It seems Maps is always selective in his analysis. By the way, I have seen a thread, that Maps paticipated in, where CLASS, RACISM, CAPITALISM did not feature prominently.
Googs have you seen any?
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Posted: Mon Nov 16th, 2009 07:01 pm |
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up to a point in time tourng teams were in fact guranteed a fair shake in the westindies!
dat is fact...pure and simple!
I dont know de exact point at which it changed but change it did and dat was fine by me! tit fuh tat was far better than turing the other cheek!
dat we had to proceed to the even further degradation of elite umpires is purely an ICC manipulation for their own ulteriors!
but we have to come to some fair structure or struture that produces fairness at some point.
but I will take a bet here the referral system wont do the trick. but we go see!
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Posted: Mon Nov 16th, 2009 07:06 pm |
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Naby
I admire your tenacity and consistency. You see the game fair and square. It seems Maps is always selective in his analysis. By the way, I have seen a thread, that Maps paticipated in, where CLASS, RACISM, CAPITALISM did not feature prominently.
Googs have you seen any?
I dont see how people can speak of life and not speak of what is endemic to it?
wat!!!!! allyuh discover a new way at looking and speaking about life that screens out regular content, and so are able to speak of the resulting fantasy as if its the way things are...and it actually works!?
well allyuh share allyuh secrets! tell we how?
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Posted: Mon Nov 16th, 2009 07:37 pm |
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mapoui wrote: up to a point in time tourng teams were in fact guranteed a fair shake in the westindies!
dat is fact...pure and simple!
Mr Mapoui read what you just wrote. So I have to accept what you say as fact!!
You mentioned an incident with Richards and Qadir but you did not elaborate on what happened. Did Viv hit the ball in the air and it was caught but the ump said not out?? Please provide details of incidents not say that it is a known fact that WI got tiefed abroad but we tiefed no one here.
There was a famous incident in 19060/61 when we toured Australia but no one could explain what happened and the Oz batsman was given the benefit of the doubt.
Also in '63 in England we lost the 3rd test when I think Trueman bowled us out. Worrell was given out caiught behind and as he walked off he he flicked some mud off of his arm just above the glove. Of course this was an indication that the ball grazed him just above the glove and therefore he was not out.
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Posted: Mon Nov 16th, 2009 07:44 pm |
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ketch_im wrote: Please note :
The Referral System is being used in this Series.
So none ah dat Umpire error nonsense....
ketch_im, there are problems with the way the referral system is being implemented.
The ICC had to or is flying out some expert in it. In addition I think each side is only allowed 2 failed referrals or some nonsense like that which to my mind defeats the purpose of the sytem which is to get decisions right.
I guess they are afraid of sides constantly referring every decision thus slowing the game down but limiting the referrlas if that is indeed the case is to my mind not the answer. It is quite conceivable that a fielding side has two close referrals that both get turned down and then they are screwed for the rest of the innings.
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Posted: Mon Nov 16th, 2009 07:47 pm |
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mapoui wrote: Naby
I admire your tenacity and consistency. You see the game fair and square. It seems Maps is always selective in his analysis. By the way, I have seen a thread, that Maps paticipated in, where CLASS, RACISM, CAPITALISM did not feature prominently.
Googs have you seen any?
When the man doan drink anything white, wat else you expect?
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| His posting is below par today. I think someone else is posting as Maps. The production is way up but the quality way down
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