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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 06:08 pm |
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Sarwan is the man!
I maintain dat Sars would be the most effective captaincy at this time!
Chis Gayle is not capable of doing the job needed a this time. Gayle is not a socund tactician, nor a man who leads by attitude and intent...the intent to win.
Gayle is not intelligent and does not know whats going on around him. he allwoed John Dyson to have complete say on the westindies team and the freedom to leadthe westindis astray.
I never doubted for one minute that Gayle did not have a clue as what was going on with the westindies team as run by Dyson.
Dyson did not have to work hard at all to have his way with Gayle.
Popularity is no ground on which to base a captaincy. is gayle a good captain and a capble human being in all the fora he must attend as westindies cappo!
NO! he must therefore be replaced
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 06:12 pm |
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and again! westindies must not go to australia with the expectation they will lose.
westindis must go to Oz with the expectation of winning and actually have worked out assesments of the Oz and an overall workable plan as to how the Oz can be defeated.
that should be the job now of David Williams. he and his staff should be deep in such work so by the time the team lands ion Oz he is ready with plan and flexibility to deal with the Oz.
I hope David has been paying no attention at all to Brian lara and his damm nosense about 'we are going to lose!'
I wish Lara wud shut his kiss-mih-arse-mout' and go about his personal business.
if he does not have something positive to say he must keep his skunt quiet!
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again we start wid ths Ganga cappo thing???? 
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mapoui wrote: westindis must go to Oz with the expectation of winning and actually have worked out assesments of the Oz and an overall workable plan as to how the Oz can be defeated.
Look most folks can determine the weakness of the Oz players. The issue is not determining the weakness it is having players who can execute a plan. I have my doubts that we have players that can execute any chosen plan.
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nabeeha wrote: mapoui wrote: westindis must go to Oz with the expectation of winning and actually have worked out assesments of the Oz and an overall workable plan as to how the Oz can be defeated.
Look most folks can determine the weakness of the Oz players. The issue is not determining the weakness it is having players who can execute a plan. I have my doubts that we have players that can execute any chosen plan.
yu remind me of a conversation I had with a westindian politician back in the eighties. he said we did not need any facilities in his day, and look at wat we produced.
''wat yuh tellin mih about facilities! man we doh have no time fuh dat ''
I swear to you!!
Look most folks can determine the weakness of the Oz players.
wat in heavens cud you possibly mean by that in there quote?
the Oz are doing sophisticated things with assesment of players...their own and their opposition.
I realised this when they pik Lehman at 33, instead of one of the young guns available at the time...wen they needed a batsman.
the Oz make comprehenseive analysis of their system against the changing face of the game world-wide.
there must be some basic theme or level of knowledge they have gathered, on which they keep adjusting as they go, in order to stay on top as long as they can.
against this sophistication, you wish to send David Williams and the westindies team to meet these same Oz with: Look most folks know.....?
yo are as defeatist as Lara man! yu like the old politician who wished to remain backward in a world, leap-frogging ahead at crazy, quick clip!
''yu have the players yu have at any time! you have to make do with them. if you know what deh are capable of and what the Oz are capable of maybe you can plan to mix and match in ways that upset them completely."
watch and NFL football and see how strategy is made on the spur on a basic game plan all the time.
all of a sudden you see your oposition doing something you did not expect!
what in earth could be reason why?
there can only be so many possibilities and by quick process of elimination you work out whats happened and you adjust accordingly.
maybe a key player is injured and deh hiding it.
or such a player is hobled and his replacement exposes a signifcant emotional and physical reduction of the the oppositions chances on the feield.
yu test the player in question by plays designed to expose his condition. if he is hobbled you take advantage. and if he is replaced you take even more advantage of his replacement...who is a weaker player
so yu see, if you are prepared, fully prepared, there is nutten that can happen that you dont in fact know can take place, and can exploit to the fullest.
dat is the attitude man mus' have in order to succeed. yu have to know your profession as fully as you can muster at all times
the new man comes in and you have a mis-match in your favour and you kill them by exploiting it to the max!
this is the day and age we live in and if we cannot come up to scratch we dont have a chance.
we have players who are pretty good. our 3 top batsmen and some coming youngsters. we have very decent allrounder in Bravo and a very good keeper in Ramdin.
and our pace has potential. Rampaul can really bowl, is young and strong! Edwards too! Roach is almost in league with Siddle and Hilfenhaus. by the end of the Oz tour he should be, or even further ahead.
properly planned out, properly led on the basis of the most comprehensive knowledge of the Oz that we can muster, we are in with a chance I tell you!
but we have to accept the challenge and go out and do all that we need and can do to win. this must be our approach period..modern, scientific, up to date and beyond!
forget the negative! that will take care of itself and its none of our concern!
our conern is winning...at all times.
and if we do not win now our focus on winning in the most sophisticated manner, will soon produce its proper result..wins. if our approach is right the sky is the limit.
that is the approcah we must develop..professional skill in analysis of players, of people..of the game, flexibility on such a sophisticated basis. you need psychologists and psychiatrist to help. pay them!
there are ways these things are done....we have the professionals who can do it.
I dont have no time to listen to Laras defeattist nonsense! what does he think westindians are incapable o such sophistication?
there was a time deh said Trinidad cud never produce a batsman like he was. Lara himself caled all the heights rewrote the record books...and as a wesindian he now brings all this nose to the people?
what the hell does he thinks his excellence in his prfession means? what does he think the excellence of Sir Arthur Lewis, Derek Walcott, Vidia Naipaul means...dat westidians cannot match and surpass anyting the Oz does in cricket, beat them even if their team is better than ours?
we have already surpassed the Oz. I dont think there has even been and Oz Nobel laureat in any field...ever. we have done it in Economics and literature. and if the Nobel committee did not have a bias against communists we would have had a foruth in CLR James.
and a fifth if they could get past their prejudice in the sciences and mathematics to award Dr Stephan Gift, the great Titty mathetician who discovered ther fifth law of calculus.
does Lara think like he has 'explashiated 'here in his current business ventures?
does he approach his projects as if he will lose money in them..certain that he will?
there is so much investment capital in the world today, so much cut-throat and corruption... Lara in business, opposed to his competition... is akin to the difference he alludes to, between the Oz and current westindies, that makes him so certain we will lose this upcoming series!
no one but no one approaches anything they have to do, their profession, in any such way...certain that their endeavours will be to no avail and they will lose.
why bother with the damm tour then? make westindies stay home and relax rather than to go for a certain cutarse.
but we have to go, and we may lose but that is not our business I tell you!
our business is to go to win!
as long as we go to win, we will win even if we lose.
it would be the most purposeful and essential change to westindies play missing all these years if we organise as we should have been preparing ourselves all along, and go to win.
that is the way we must go, that will result soon in the long-lasting success we desperately need.
old attitudes and way die hard, but must be jettisoned them, toss them away...for the proper professional approaches that will yield the results, the success that we need!
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 04:00 am |
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I have my doubts that we have players that can execute any chosen plan.
so to have been so long above! but I dont see how eles to deal with all you imply with your answer!
as above! we have to start at some point dont we?
this tour is as good as any starting point into the allround prefessionalism we must develop if we are to succeed..at any form of the international game.
most of the players already have experience at the highest levels. and none are intellectually defective as far as I can tell. deh are all bright, smart people who can learn in their chosen profession very quickly.
and there is nothing being discussed here they demselves have not thought about, discussed among themselves and friends etc.
it is not going to be impossible or difficult for these westiandian players to adjust to the approach that is needed to win at all!
westindies cricket must become a properly administered things thats all, everybody on the same page, all man working for the same purpose!
in addition to a new and positive approach to the full development of the game in the region,,,builidng facilities, coaching etc...all draw form westindies resources by which I mean money and brains
once these things are in place, functioning properly, to the advantage of all, we will get from the players their full committment in their efforts for the westindies!
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 12:05 pm |
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Lemme briefly address some of the issues you raise.
Back in the day we had an excellent first class competition. When the players who made runs played tests the bowling was no better than what they faced in the Shell Shield, heck in many cases it was inferior.
Today it's the opposite. Dem fellas suddenly up against bowling they have not had to deal with. IMO most of our current players have had to learn "on the job", not a satisfactory state of affairs.
It is a question of being able to execute any plan you have. I am sure Reifer and the scabs planned for SA but of course they were unable to execute.
IMO saying that the Oz tour will be difficult or that we may get whipped is not defeatist but REALISTIC.
You mentioned the bowling. Rampaul has not played a test, Edwards avg is 39.43, Taylor 35.56, Bravo 39.59. Bravo's strike rate is 73.41.
For Oz Lee has an avg of 30.82, Hilfenhaus 33.45, Johnson 28.81, Siddle 28.94.
Now you can argue as much as want about our bowlers being better but the FACTS do not bear that out. Point is for us to win we have to outperform Oz so our bowlers will need to perform much better than they have so far shown.
I aint even deal with the batting yet where the discrepancy might be much greater.
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 01:28 pm |
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Now you can argue as much as want about our bowlers being better but the FACTS do not bear that out. Point is for us to win we have to outperform Oz so our bowlers will need to perform much better than they have so far shown.
look! what has been missing is one decent strike bowler to catalize the pace attack.
Rampaul has not played a test but he is around 24 and has been around since he was 19.
Rampaul can come in now and effective immediately. we dont have to wait for him like we still have to wait a bit for Roach.
Roach is the man to complement Edwards, to make a tamdem that wold immediaely reduce Edwards one man act.
Taylor is a docile fella, a man to fill the Vanburn Holder role although I suspect we will get someone far more aggressive and effective if Tongue is selected and given a chance
I am not saying we can defeat Oz. what I am saying is that defeat is not our concer like in expectation of. let that take its course.
to avoid a bad cutarse, to turn our coming Oz effort into a builidng block, is to aproach it as I have suggsted.
we may have the missing ingredients to catalize the bowling..a couple, 3 new pacemen of potential worth...and the chance to apppoint a sound cappo in Sarwan or Ganga!
I honestly wish there was some way we cold get ganga in as cappo for he has the ability to do a sound job, to concentrate focus on what is available. there wold a few factors which wold trip this u...fist gangas battting at top levels....and acceptance by the westindies team of his leadership.
people like gayle must accept Ganga as leader and not undermine his leadership!
so Sarwan is the man! Sarwan is sensible, smart enuff to give a decent , steady and consistent role as captain...which consistentcy is desperately needed now.
were I westindies captain at this time going to Oz I would not be negative in any way. were I a selector or the chairman of he committee I would be keen to make the best selection, with the most positive and smart, well prepared leadership..the whole team, and like 1961-61 we would sooprise the world
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 01:52 pm |
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mapoui wrote: look! what has been missing is one decent strike bowler to catalize the pace attack.
Rampaul has not played a test but he is around 24 and has been around since he was 19.
I hope you realize what you are saying. Basically you are saying that someone who has not yet played a test match is going to be the strike bowler of the series!!
While I would love this to happen you are not being realistic.
Lemme give you another scenario. If we encounter a fast bowler friendly track in Oz then you are telling me that our lot of fast bowlers are capable of bowling better than the Oz fast bowlers. Of course back in the day this was exactly the case but this is not the case today.
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I aint even deal with the batting yet where the discrepancy might be much greater.
ok the batting! admittedly the batting looks weak.
in Barath however, it looks like we have a very good potential. so he starts with Gayle and hopefully he gives a half decent account of himself.
first tests we cant expect the mountain top from Barath but yu never know.
we need a fifth batsman and we should opt for experience. and that experience ought to be Morton.
it is Oz not england and the conditions should assist Morton not hinder him. and his tendency to settle down and take his time, to try keep his wicket for as long as he could, will help
we should also walk with lil Bravo or another young batsman of potential, to use this opportunity to expose these kids to the top level of the game.
an extra batsman would also be insurance for Sknash, whom I expect very little from in Oz. he did not make there before and he wont make again I suspect. the Oz should deal with him easily.
given the way westindies select I expect the first test team to look like the following:
Gayle, Barath, Sarwan, Shive Sknash, Bravo, Ramdin, Benn, Taylor, Rampaul, Edwards.
my team would be: Barath, Gayle, Sarwan, Morton, Shive, Bravo, Ramdin, Rampaul, Miller, Edwards, Roach
Roach is good enuff now to be more effective than Taylor in the test side.
you can have no idea how Taylor pisses me off! he is not tuff at all! he is a non-entity as as fast bowler, no personality at all like Edards for example....and he is not really fast.
Taylor performs well at Sabina and dies everywhere else! Taylor is most definetly not the complement Edwards needs to catalyze the pace attack. neither is Baker
Rampaul and Roach are far better in this regard! big, tall Tongue is too! menacing fellas who looking to intimidate you and take yuh wicket. beat dem if yu cyan but yu likely to pay a price for it.
and if I need spin it is Miller first.... and if not, Mohammed. but not Benn! Benn cyant bowl better than those 2. and he certainly cant contribute anywhere near what they can do with the bat.
this list, playing well, as a team....led well, backed up well by all concerned, can give this Oz team a good run.
the sum total of this westindies list, as a team can be much greater than its parts suggests at this time.
what has been missing from westindies all the time has been smarts, cohesiveness, good feelings about itself, confidence, emotional strenght...impossible for the Oz to intimidate in any way if we have all this..
and we shud have all that, for it is natural and right for man to be as subjective, self and nationalsit centred and focused as that
we have been led by strangers for too long....Bennet Sking and skunt John Dyson
were not of our house, strangers who knew only how to sabotage us...and in all probability were racist MC's as well
its like ''we may lose in the end but we doh care 'bout dat. fuck the Oz anyway! we know dem skunt and dem and we intend to cut deh arse. if not now soon enuff! at worse this is ah builidng block.
dem deh Oz have no rarse behaviour! deh hypocrite and liard! tief all the time!
HDehMC!!"
and dats the truth dat should underpin our attitude to the Oz!
we doh have to show it in nasty ways but it must be reflected in our confidence, our strong attitude, even if we lose... for we know as people deh no rarse better than we...dat we have been remis in our organisation and development and we will not be so anymore
win lose or draw dats the attitude man! I doh want tuh hear nutten about ''we go lose'' before the fight even join!
Fuck Lara wen it come so! I will not let god undermine my skunt even in minute ways for all it takes is a small tiny tear fuh the shit to spread everywhere.
so if I ent 'fraid god who is Lara?
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nabeeha wrote: mapoui wrote: look! what has been missing is one decent strike bowler to catalize the pace attack.
Rampaul has not played a test but he is around 24 and has been around since he was 19.
I hope you realize what you are saying. Basically you are saying that someone who has not yet played a test match is going to be the strike bowler of the series!!
While I would love this to happen you are not being realistic.
Lemme give you another scenario. If we encounter a fast bowler friendly track in Oz then you are telling me that our lot of fast bowlers are capable of bowling better than the Oz fast bowlers. Of course back in the day this was exactly the case but this is not the case today.
do we need to bowl better than the Oz to bowl dem out on a fast track?
wat dem fellers are god!?
how 'good' do we need to bowl to get the Oz out twice?
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 02:29 pm |
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Rampaul at 24 is not a rookie. he has been around, in the crowd etc. Rampaul is no neophyte! Rampaul can come in now and immediately give an account of himself...make an impact!
Remember Garner...Picked at 25-26 and immediately on the go! Croft same way!
Rampaul must be considered in that light right now!
as far as I have seen Rampaul can really use the ball...espcially if the conditions wet and overcast!
Rampaul can achieve early 90s in pace but does not have too all the time. Rampaul can use the new ball or he can be second up first change and so on
I have watched Roach bowl and the kid is no fool. he can bowl! he is striving to learn and he is fast..consistently fast.
already Roach produces balls that can defeat the best of batsmen! Roach if he continues in this line will be very difficult to deal with in a year or 2
but right now Roach can be a far better foil for Edwards than all the rest save possibly Rampaul.
all things being equal we have in Edwards, Rampaul and Roach better pace than we have had since Ambrose and Walsh.
those are who the westindies ought to put together and stay with for a while!
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Lemme give you another scenario. If we encounter a fast bowler friendly track in Oz then you are telling me that our lot of fast bowlers are capable of bowling better than the Oz fast bowlers. Of course back in the day this was exactly the case but this is not the case today.
on paper at least if we get a pace friendly track the Oz will pay a huge price and could lose to the westindies.
Edwards alone will make them hop. Roach will suddenly be yards faster and better and will stone them too. and Rampaul working the ball will be a handful.
there is this important factor about Rampaul...he takes wickets!
Rampaul has taken wickets in bunches at every level of the game he has played so far.
there is no reason in the world he will not soon be doing the same in test cricket.
there are bowlers like that, who love to take wickets..for some reason alwasy among the wickets. rampaul is one like that. I can wait to se him get a consistent run in test cricket. it is about to happen!
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 02:54 pm |
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rampaul , roach , tonge all going to suffer the same fate as fidel and taylor... slips and keeper not good enough..
i will state that taylor and fidel would probably avering around 30 per wicket if they had lloyd, richards, hooper, harper, logie in slips and dujon behind the stumps..
As for ganga being captain... nuff said, he cant bat...
if the board has a problem with gayle, then sars, ramdin or bravo.....
ganga can captain trinidad....
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nandypark wrote: As for ganga being captain... nuff said, he cant bat...
if the board has a problem with gayle, then sars, ramdin or bravo.....
ganga can captain trinidad....
finally, someone wid sense! 
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Googley wrote: nandypark wrote: As for ganga being captain... nuff said, he cant bat...
if the board has a problem with gayle, then sars, ramdin or bravo.....
ganga can captain trinidad....
finally, someone wid sense!
I tort dat soemone was yu!
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Googley wrote: nandypark wrote: As for ganga being captain... nuff said, he cant bat...
if the board has a problem with gayle, then sars, ramdin or bravo.....
ganga can captain trinidad....
finally, someone wid sense!
wat yu think I mean by preparation...of knowing yuh own side as well as the opposition?
we have poblems with slip catching! how to solve it? we have to find a way dont we?
here is an idea! transfer Bravo to the slips! make him work on it as hard as may be necessary.
brilliant fieldsmen can field anywhere. get the good fieldsmen to the slip cordon and make the others work where deh are best suited.
and fielding is practise, practise and more practise
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wat the rass can we do about the keeping man?
how can we get Ramdin up to top standard and keep him there?
how can we get some competition for him for all the rest in dung heap are worse than ramdin
preparation, preparation, preparation....
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mapoui wrote: Rampaul at 24 is not a rookie. he has been around, in the crowd etc. Rampaul is no neophyte! Rampaul can come in now and immediately give an account of himself...make an impact!
Remember Garner...Picked at 25-26 and immediately on the go! Croft same way!
already Roach produces balls that can defeat the best of batsmen! Roach if he continues in this line will be very difficult to deal with in a year or 2
Since Rampaul is yet to play a test I aint know how you can be so sure that he will be our overnight savior.
As for Roach well he getting licks today playing against Guyana so again I don't know why you are so wildly optimistic. Sure he can produce the wicked delivery but then why do we have to wait until 20 more overs pass before he produces the next one.
Your arguments fly in the face of reason and the stats to date.
If we encounter a wicket helping the fast bowlers then Lee and Co are just as likely to send us packing for next to nothing considering the fragile nature of our batting.
You beginning to sound like Reifer and co who talked bout de scabs springing a surprise when all dey got was a set of licks in dey rass.
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oh gord! yu puttin' mih in bad company....Reifer!
yu see I have been around a long time, seen a lot of things like thing the song and I know of what I speak.
westindies have some talent and doh at this stage it dont look so great, not concentrated and focused to do its best....if the right management and leadership come together it could be like night and day
look here! in 1983 or 84, Lloyd came back on the regional scence and took a guyana side dat had not been winning and produced a brilliant season for Guyana in the Shell.
A A Lyght, T R Etwaroo, M A Lynch, S F A Bacchus, M R Pydanna, R A Harper, D I Kalliecharran, C G Butts, L A Lambert, R F Joseph, G E Charles,....Fredericks played 2 games and scored a double!
that was a real sweet season in the westindies, with the way Lloyd oranised and lead Guyana and won the shield.
Guyana used wat 13 players in all...and some of them werent great by any means
but suddenly they were all giving of their best..levels most of them never achieved again. Lloyd was never available for Guyana again and performances fell immediately!
but wen everything come together it could be like night and day. the westindies seniors are not Reifers team. we have some real talent in there and properly organised we can give the Oz trouble..even win!
thats wat I have been saying..not that our players will turn into or are supermen
I am saying we have talent and we can do much better than we have been doing.... and to get to such a level we can do without Lara's negative nonsense.
going wit that is to go nowhere. we might as well stay home!
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Your arguments fly in the face of reason and the stats to date.
how so?
Is ravi rampaul a talented cricket player or not...has he given evry indication over the years that he is in fact a quality player in the making?
kept back by injury Rampaul has nevertheless been invovled and around cricket, playing top games for Titty etc.
is it not fair to say then that his missing years were a loss.
Rampaul has been exposed and prepared enuff to come into the westindies team ready to go now?
is that some kind of flying in the face expectation?
Rampaul just came back from India and an international competition in which he ended up bowling very well after a slow start. he shud be fit and ready to go at his best now!
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and if Roach get licks today wat of it?
dat makes a difference?
lets see wat he does next time!
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Bret Lee is for all practical purposes is 33 years old!
allyuh remember dat! and he has not been keeping well for the last while missing the ashes entirely!
the Oz are not wat deh used to be! deh may be still better than the westindies but as things go movement is a constant.
things are always moving up or down. are the Oz moving up or down?
Ponting is wat 34-35? how old is katich!
deh Oz are not wat deh are all cracked up to be. it will take one more breakdown and Lee is toast.
some consistent failures against the westindies and the questions will re-appear re Ponting!
Man allyuh doh know!
If this westndies team put up a stiff fight draw or almost win one of win one of the first 2 tests, allyuh will see a tsunami of shit flowing in Oz.
the media will be all over australian cricket looking fuh fault, criticisng everything. and the pressure will tell on the side.
it should be the strategy of the westindies, to stop the Oz at all costs in the early test and watch dem self-destruct!
we should not look as if we all out to do anything ,but I know if things do not turn out how the Oz expect, it would cause all kinds of trouble in Oz-land.
man can think of so exploiting his opposition in trying to level the playingfield, only when his approach is subjective as it ought to be, self interested and thinking of winning...when man confident and like and appreciate dehself, so deh mind clear to focus on the oppostion.
allyuh making joke yes! the Oz right now have issues! it is up to us to exploit them fully, on all levels, in order to beat them!
we may not succeed but so wat! that is the way to go about doing the job we have to do...and dat is what we must do.
if it doh wuk dis time it will soon enuff.
we have no business thinking and talking like Lara did. that is his damm affair.
let Lara conduct his businees like dat, and see if we doh soon have to pass the hat at test grounds in collection to help the 'great man' out.
dats my way man! dats the way I think! regardless of the relationship of forces in the world my responsibility is clear...to look after me and mine regardless.
man must be committed totally to deh own thing or deh betray it!
allyuh know the story...how come it so hard to understand what I have been saying in this post from start to now?
the oz go do their thing regardles of whether westindies strong or weak. if deh cyan rub we nose in the dirt as deh have done many times before deh will gladly do it.
there is nothing in the world dat will change dat Oz attitude. deh have to look after demselves.
well so do we! and as deh have a right to go about their business fully, confidently, fully subjective and focused...so the fact do we!
even wen westindies was strong and cutting deh arse regularly, we never, ever heard an Oz speak like Lara did here..saying we dead even before the contest start.
sensible people doh talk like dat. deh speak from their own inerest, their hopes and what deh go to to defeat the odds.
let defeat or win take care of itself as long as I approach the situation thie way, the proper way, as I should approach it.
the westindian mindset is an asshole one, a self-defeating, obsequious,subservient one.
fuck dat shit! I come to learn wat I see to be the truth and dats wat I follow. I come to see the folly of the westindian way, of our mindset, how and why it became so.
we wont win again unless we change dat shit!
we wont win again at anything unless we really accept our independence and proceed accordingly in the world.
Lara is mih bwoy but he thinks like Sobers thought, like all westindians think...and I have to point it out to him.
we must go to Oz with the intent of winning..of doing all that is creative, acceptable and practical, on all levels, to achieve that goal.
if we do not win fine! the way, the approach is all! the way I have argued for. dat way will bring us the success we want soon enough..as sure as the sun comes up in the morning.
we have absolutely no chance of achieving our goals with our current approach. none at all!
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 11:44 pm |
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Brett Lee's elbow injury has not responded well to treatment and he has been ruled out for the remainder of the ODI series against India © AFPas i was saying!
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I am not questioning whether we have talent because like you i believe that we do. The problem is that for years now that talent has for all kinds of reasons not blossomed at test level.
The problem we have right now is that our domestic competitions in no way prepares us for the rigors of test cricket. We will continue to do reasonably well in the shorter form of the game because we have players that can perform in the one days.
Test cricket is a whole different ball game and even though Ponting and Lee are not as young as they used to be I fully expect them to perform well against us. Shyte man people on dis board does salivate over Shiv and he not even close to Ponting.
At home in Oz Ponting avg 60.93, Clarke 58.71, Katich 42.57, Hussey 64.79, Haddin 52.75.
Lara damn right to be worried.
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mapoui wrote: Brett Lee's elbow injury has not responded well to treatment and he has been ruled out for the remainder of the ODI series against India © AFPas i was saying!
Even without Lee Oz will be still be formidable.
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 11:50 pm |
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mapoui wrote: and if Roach get licks today wat of it?
dat makes a difference?
lets see wat he does next time!
Sigh, you might be saying the same ting in Oz after licks share.
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ganga needs to gain the respect of his fellow test playing team-mates by establishing himself in the test arena. then he can talk or backbite for test cricket captaincy.
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Brawta wrote: ganga needs to gain the respect of his fellow test playing team-mates by establishing himself in the test arena. then he can talk or backbite for test cricket captaincy.
the best comment yuh ever make Brawta!
dat go be the problem with any ganga captaincy...unless the board pik him jess fuh captaincy and all else would be langniappe
in dat case however deh wud have to call a meeting and explain it to the players, wat de want from ganga and dem if deh apppoint ganga.
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nabeeha wrote: mapoui wrote: and if Roach get licks today wat of it?
dat makes a difference?
lets see wat he does next time!
Sigh, you might be saying the same ting in Oz after licks share.
yuh know wat nabeeha...do yu know wat 'being made to feel your responsibility' is?
in Beyond a Boundary CLRJ talked about it in regard to an innings of Constantines.
Constantine revealed himself to be a gifted, creative batsman and James pointed out that in australia he would have been noted as such, given all the necessary encouragement and support and made to feel his responsibility as a bastman of class!
its simple! cricket is a game we play! it is our main game, we have deloped it as a way of life within which people make professional living. it is a national emblem and all who make it to the top are reverred. the usages of cricket become second nature as a result of constant repitition.
and international competition and the ebb and flow of results over time fosters advance in the technique of the game.
but this technique is affected by the culture of the various nations, the particular flavor of life each nation has lived up to any point in time.
James alluded to the way of the Oz in that instance. he also cited an instance featuring George Headley.
the Oz had ben watching George quietly scoping out his style, strengths and weaknesses, all the time George was scoring freely all over Oz.
when it was time...also in a test match time....they sprung a trap on George. they exploited his leg side play.
catching George off-guard, unaware deh had been planning for him, they packed the off side and the bowler sent one down leg. greedily George went after it only to find the keeper all the way over the leg side, ketchin' him out.
deh outsmarted his rass totally!
but for George its a lesson was well learned! such lessons are lost on those not as great and astute as Geroge was.
but the flavor of the Oz game is clear! and the flavor of the westindian game as well.
where the Oz is astute, smart, but critically, self-centred, subjective, developmental of their game, encouraging of their players, assessing them, guiding them to find their strenghts etc...the westindian flavor has been different, the opposite to that of the Oz.
we had two periods within which we observed and practised anything like the Oz do as if a second skin....the period of Worrell which was all to brief, too brief to leave lasting effect...and the Kanhai/Lloyd span
it affected Lloyd positively and Kanhai before him, but while the continuity between Kanhai and Lloyds tenure was an almost 20 year span, it was still too brief again.
but more to the point...these brief spans took no root because no one in administration of westindies cricket took the lesons to heart, found them to be fundamental and sought to deploy them as the way our game must be organised from the groud up..the way we must organise our behaviour for success in cricket...indeed success in all of life
by the time the 3 captains passed the lesson went with them, leaving not a trace, so by the time the strong VIV had passed too, by Richardsons' time westindies emerged into chaos again, and the re-triumph of the rotten baggae of slavey/colonialism
I said all dat to establish a point about roach, Rampaul, Edwards, Tongue, Taylor etc.
Imagine our current young players having been made to feel their responsinities all along, given all the necessary encouragement and guidance and support that is normal....that we had the infrastructure to back uip all the training,and words of guidance.....
as australians these players would have been far more advanced than they are at this stage. instead of being able to produce the unplayable ball ocassionally, such balls would have been stock for Roach already, in a far more consistent overall technique.
in fact given the Oz's overall level and infrastucture their players start at more advanced levels and go much further than westindians.
all our players would long have been incorporated into the Oz's way, made to feel their responsibilites and supported all the way upwards.
when I talk about the potential of Rampaul, Roach etc dats wat I acually mean...how they can be focused to produce quickly enuff, their vey best, to the point deh can give the Oz real trouble right now.
but yu see the flavor of our game must change to reflect some kind of deep rooted positive program and regional structure. we have a deep rooted structure right now but its the shits, that result in our consistent failure.
my hope was that an intelligent person like Ganga has what it takes to know whats going on, its full historical natue and how we may go about correcting it.
Ganga does not have to be westindian captain to go about doing a job of correction in wesindies cricket. he already has the presige and success that will make his involment in a corrective process natural and right.
but I was hoping that given our needs right now, somehow he would have been able to lead and make a positive contribution as Lloyd and Worrell did, and to lesser extent Kanhai and VIV.
but we have a cricket culture in the westindies that must be revolutionsed, made positive where it is now negative, has been negative all along.
that negative is part and parcel of the nasty historcial baggae we carry, a result of the process out of which westindians come, and walk with through life, replicating it as we go!
we can do nutten different for that is what we know!
we must change the social content of the westindies to the positive, by revolutionising westindian life as a whole.
in order to get particualr postives like a successful westidnian cricket, deeply rooted, to get a positive, cleansing and reformative, reclaiming westindian education, that fits westindian citizens out for sucess and the build-up of a positive, diverse and prosperous westindian reality, the root heritage from various internents must be regularised by truth and awareness of our rea, great potential in the world.
it is not only cricket involved here but everything. if the whole is ill cricket cannot escape the general illness. cure the whole and we cure the problems in cricket the same way.
nothing, no individual part of the process can be cured any other way...unless the whole society is fixed
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