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Brian Shud Think Before he Talks....all the time!

Moderated by: Googley, Calypso   New Topic Reply Print Author Post nabeeha Member Joined:  Sun Oct 9th, 2005 Location:    Posts:  2472 Status:  Offline  Posted: Tue Oct 27th, 2009 01:29 pm Quote Reply mapoui wrote: it began with his resignation in childish pique about selection.  getting his way he rescinded his resignation and proceeded to fill up the side with yardies. then came his rediculous pronouncements before westindies mini-tour of england in the spring. Worrell nor Lloyd would have been childish enuff to resign for jackass purpose!   You are telling me something new. I did not know that Gayle threatened to resign over selection. In a recent article Cozier stated that he did not know the reason for Gayle's resignation. So do you know this from inside sources? I did not find his statements ridiculous. Or I should say that I found it no more ridiculous than the behavior or pronouncements of other captains. Remember Lara's it's only a game and Sobers visit to Rhodesia. And there just might be a grain of truth to what he says - how much test cricket will be around in say 20 years. As for Lloyd well I hope you know that he was not playing for the WI but was I beleive in Oz when I think Burnham worked to get him back to the WI. nabeeha Member Joined:  Sun Oct 9th, 2005 Location:    Posts:  2472 Status:  Offline  Posted: Tue Oct 27th, 2009 01:31 pm Quote Reply mapoui wrote: as an ordinary blac westindian C H Gayle as westindian captain does not advance my interests. but he is not a good westindian captain, does not advance the cause of the region and as such he shud be replaced. What are your interests? And what is the cause of the region? Who do you have in mind to replace Gayle? mapoui Member   Joined:  Wed May 26th, 2004 Location:    Posts:  21786 Status:  Offline  Posted: Tue Oct 27th, 2009 02:00 pm Quote Reply there are areas os captaincy that may be mystical...in the sense that we do not undertand it yet, and so cannot describe it. but what Worrell motivated out of westindies is clear and no one can describe what it was.  deh call it enigmatic! deh say Lloyd was a 'father figure'  mmmm! I saw that westindies team many times.  to say that Lloyd was in any way father figure to men like Roberts, Viv, Greenidge...later on Dujon etc., is in th least incredible.  I know some of dem fellas directly and at no point in their careers was 'father figure'  a very applicable term to describe any relatioship between dem and any leader othey may have had.  'father figure' seems way too fragile!  deh wudda smash 'father figure' to bits quickly.  deh wud not have known wat it meant and it is not that they particularly liked Lloyd anyway.  Lloyd and the circumstances met and meshed and it worked brilliantly.  it also helped that westindies went into a production line of the most magnificent players in our 80 year history. ____________________ King of The Beasts mapoui Member   Joined:  Wed May 26th, 2004 Location:    Posts:  21786 Status:  Offline  Posted: Tue Oct 27th, 2009 02:07 pm Quote Reply I am not intimate with the Brearleys captaincy period/record.  I lost interest in him when he failed early...against the westindies I believe...coming in like Hick on an ocean of first class runs and great expectations. then much later on Brearly re-appeared as England cappo and I was very surprised, because it was clear he could not bat at the test level. I agree with your assesment of Brearley.  his leadership was not tested against the best of his day.  but the english love and must have their heros.  deh manufacture heroes out of whole cloth when they  have none. ____________________ King of The Beasts mapoui Member   Joined:  Wed May 26th, 2004 Location:    Posts:  21786 Status:  Offline  Posted: Tue Oct 27th, 2009 02:50 pm Quote Reply nabeeha wrote: mapoui wrote: it began with his resignation in childish pique about selection.  getting his way he rescinded his resignation and proceeded to fill up the side with yardies. then came his rediculous pronouncements before westindies mini-tour of england in the spring. Worrell nor Lloyd would have been childish enuff to resign for jackass purpose!   You are telling me something new. I did not know that Gayle threatened to resign over selection. In a recent article Cozier stated that he did not know the reason for Gayle's resignation. So do you know this from inside sources? I apologies if I did not convey the speculative re Gayles actual resignation..he did resign you know!  it is what followed that led me to believe selection was a major factor behind it..for instantly we had on his reinstatement, 9 Yardies were selecredI did not find his statements ridiculous. Or I should say that I found it no more ridiculous than the behavior or pronouncements of other captains. Remember Lara's it's only a game and Sobers visit to Rhodesia. And there just might be a grain of truth to what he says - how much test cricket will be around in say 20 years. context is all!  Gayles musings are valid but not in the context in which they were expressed.  it was not the time or place to chat such!  it was impolitc of as deh Say of Gayle, as cappo to speak as he did, when did, where he did...which is wh I described it as one his 'freely-speaking-his mind' things the validity of Gayles comments in a sea of media sharks, always hostile to the westindian cause, gave them opportunity to lash he and the westindies, to create around the always fragile nature of westindies teams in those circumstance, a negative air which could not have been helpful to the westindian cause.  we saw the resultsGayles expression of exasperation with test cricket and his hugely declining interest in , killed the westindian cause. a lot of the players feel the same I suspect. and  in the cold of and english spring with so much disaffection about that was it for us and those gamesif gayle feel the way he does and it turns out that way then fine!  so let it turn out.  it did/does not need his comments at an inapporpriate and undermining times.that is the kind of silliness I cant take from  Gayle!  it implies a man who does not care about much about anything, save his own pocket and little narrow concerns like Yardie isolationism.Gayle doh see nutten past those concerns and he should.  he could have everything he wants in ways that do not do as much damage as he seems  indifferent to. he does not care or does not know how to behave better...and to learn how to behave better...more positive to the westindian cause!it is easy to conclude as I have about Gayle.  he has provided enough cuse.  that is how he has behaved all along. his behaviour is not good for a westindian captain.maybe I am stuck in a Worrell/Lloyd groove but I expect more westindianism from a westindian captainRemember Sobers was roundly criticised for his Rhodesian nonsense!  and like we know Gayle now, we knew Sobers and understood the way he was, the way he thought.  but by 1969 westindians had become politicised enuff to know that hob-nobbin with Ian Smith was out of the question, cud not be tolerated.  Sobers apologised and all were grateful we did not lose him.  but we easily cud have over that issueand I have said a lot about Lara and his attitude.  Lara is a latter day Sobers in attitude.  that is one reason why I did not let his recent comments pass without taking noticeAs for Lloyd well I hope you know that he was not playing for the WI but was I beleive in Oz when I think Burnham worked to get him back to the WI.well someone had faith in Lloyd.  at the time I had absolutely zero!  frankly I did not like the man. and as far as I knew that was the prevailing sentiment about Lloyd in Trinidad.I am thankful then for Forbes in his incarnation as cricket lover!  he gave us Lloyd as captain of the westindies and all is glory afterward  Last edited on Tue Oct 27th, 2009 02:57 pm by mapoui ____________________ King of The Beasts mapoui Member   Joined:  Wed May 26th, 2004 Location:    Posts:  21786 Status:  Offline  Posted: Tue Oct 27th, 2009 03:44 pm Quote Reply nabeeha wrote: mapoui wrote: as an ordinary blac westindian C H Gayle as westindian captain does not advance my interests. but he is not a good westindian captain, does not advance the cause of the region and as such he shud be replaced. What are your interests? And what is the cause of the region? Who do you have in mind to replace Gayle? my interest is our interest... a westindian nation, regularised, existential, real...yu know.... a nation.  if we have a successful cricket team, the glue...it goes a long way in furthering this westindian essential need...evolving a nation state comprised of all the english speaking terrotories in the region. and by successful we do not necessarily have to be winning, beating up everybody, at the top of the standings...but a team functioning as it should, as a product of an sound administration..on our way upwards...always looking forward. T20 or test cricket .....whatever game turns out to be the internation mode we must have proper administration and developed resources in place to nuture our talent when Gayle sounds off about his emotional strength and how he was not afraid to express opinion even if contrary to wicb wishes and even rules he suggest he is a man of depth, a view of things that was broad enuff to encompass the issues of the whole team...a WESTINDIAN team! it turns out he was nowhere near there, was looking out for himself and yardies next! not good enuff! the cause of the region is to solve its material problems, in the process of liberating the westindian people from  the ravages of slavery, colonialism, indenture, ethnocentrism...the current consequences of such longstanding evil. it is the westindian cause tobuild a prosperous and diverse society, functioning entirely in the interst of all the westindian people..ALL! as westindian cappogayle should be evolved to some reasonable extent on this content.  he ought to have a decne idea of what he leads in order to deal diplomatically with the content of the job he accepted when offered to him and appears to want to do. Gayle cannot simply be concerned and responsive to the superficialities of the job,to  demands of the basic insular nonsense that may occur routinely in the course of a days work, somewhere in the region. there is a regional war between Yardies and Trinis that has bust its regioanl boundaries and find expression far afield in places lke Canada.  in cities where both regionals meet there is much animosity between Yardies and Trinis.  and Gayles atittude strikes me as familiar, no different tah I would meet at some level of negative contact in Toronto, Hamilton or some other Canadian city. as a stark contrast, Gayles attitude is markedly different and inferior to that of Jimmy Adams or Courtney Walsh .... both men who command respect in the westindies as a whole, and both former westindian captains Sarwan should be the next westindian captain, not Ramdin.  potential or not Dinesh is ah lil bwoy still, with some work yet to be done to make of himself a class keeper at the highest levels. Ram Sarwan shoud meet the minimum levels for a captain you described above.  but I belive he is a bit more than that...a bit! recent experience has revealed he was the man for the job all along!  he should be offered the job now and he should accept it! Last edited on Tue Oct 27th, 2009 03:45 pm by mapoui ____________________ King of The Beasts nabeeha Member Joined:  Sun Oct 9th, 2005 Location:    Posts:  2472 Status:  Offline  Posted: Tue Oct 27th, 2009 05:47 pm Quote Reply I have no problem with the captaincy going back to Sarwan, but did he not recently decline the vice captaincy?? Last edited on Tue Oct 27th, 2009 05:47 pm by nabeeha mapoui Member   Joined:  Wed May 26th, 2004 Location:    Posts:  21786 Status:  Offline  Posted: Tue Oct 27th, 2009 06:19 pm Quote Reply he did...and cannot be blamed and hled in contempt for that.  he had cause and reason...I admit! if he is offered the job now he migh change his mind.  we owe him the right at the very least, to decline it again or to say yes. and we wud not really be acting in apology to sarwan.  we would be acting in our best interest for he is the best nab for the job at the monent. dat is my opinion at any rate! ____________________ King of The Beasts  Current time is 11:43 am Page:    1  2