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Posted: Fri Jul 20th, 2007 03:08 pm |
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In GUYANA ......Hindus do NOT care about the well being of Muslims ....
that is a serious charge! it seems thaty some people have a lot of work to do to clear that up!
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Posted: Fri Jul 20th, 2007 08:05 pm |
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I am not disrespecting your heritage....why are you disrespecting mine.
Oh yes you are.
By insisting that our culture is black, you are disrespecting our heritage and completely denying our heritage.
Don't get me wrong- this is NOT to do with black being inferior or any such sentiment- your idea that indian culture is black is just as disrespectful to us as some racist whiteman talking about our culture being white people comming ovah from central asia.
We are neither black, nor white and denial of that IS most definitely disrespectful and totally denigrating of our culture!
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Posted: Fri Jul 20th, 2007 08:19 pm |
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I am not disrespecting your heritage....why are you disrespecting mine.
Oh yes you are.
By insisting that our culture is black, you are disrespecting our heritage and completely denying our heritage.
Don't get me wrong- this is NOT to do with black being inferior or any such sentiment- your idea that indian culture is black is just as disrespectful to us as some racist whiteman talking about our culture being white people comming ovah from central asia.
We are neither black, nor white and denial of that IS most definitely disrespectful and totally denigrating of our culture!
sharpening up you routine I see. yu should get even more yuks with your standards of disgrace.
yu must get offended all the time EH!?
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Posted: Fri Jul 20th, 2007 08:37 pm |
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yu must get offended all the time EH!?
Nope- i rarely run into the racist whites who think India is whitemen comming from central asia or racist blacks who think india was black before whiteman tek ovvah. most people i've met from all ovah the world dont consider us black or white.
As i said, we ent white or black- and it is denigrating to us to consider our history as white history or black history.
And ironically, almost all those who propose such nonsense are either white superiorists from America or culture-less and heritage-less slave descendants of the Bantu in north america.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20th, 2007 09:08 pm |
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....such nonsense are either white superiorists from America or culture-less and heritage-less slave descendants of the Bantu in north america.
but isnt this disparagement and disrespect for the simply reason that it is quite inaccurate?
and...unscientific!
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Posted: Fri Jul 20th, 2007 09:13 pm |
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but isnt this disparagement and disrespect for the simply reason that it is quite inaccurate?
and...unscientific!
No,not really.
It is a fact that black people be bantu people according to how race is perceived by the world.
And if science is the benchmark here, then blacks,whites,browns,asians etc. all on same playing field.
And nothing inaccurate about you being a heritage-less afro-new world person- your people sold their own as slaves for some trinkets of gold, the slave masters got rid of most of yuh culture outta yuh in the caribbeans & USA...though i wouldnt say the same to the slave descendants of Brazil...they kept their culture mostly intact.
yuh are hetirageless because yuh know nothing about yuh heritage beyond the last 300 yrs or so...give or tek another 100 yrs.
What is nonsense though is the Aryan Invasion cr@p- first used by the racist whiteman to say indian culture is whiteman's culture who came ovah from central asia, then used by racist slave-descendants or conquered blackman to further whine about 'whiteman come ovah and whack our culture in India'.
Nothing more than unadulterated drivel from the racist blackman and his racist whiteman counterpart.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20th, 2007 09:21 pm |
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WIfan wrote:
but isnt this disparagement and disrespect for the simply reason that it is quite inaccurate?
and...unscientific!
No,not really.
It is a fact that black people be bantu people according to how race is perceived by the world.
And if science is the benchmark here, then blacks,whites,browns,asians etc. all on same playing field.
And nothing inaccurate about you being a heritage-less afro-new world person- your people sold their own as slaves for some trinkets of gold, the slave masters got rid of most of yuh culture outta yuh in the caribbeans & USA...though i wouldnt say the same to the slave descendants of Brazil...they kept their culture mostly intact.
yuh are hetirageless because yuh know nothing about yuh heritage beyond the last 300 yrs or so...give or tek another 100 yrs.
but isnt being alive mean that yu posses some kind of culuture in kind and quantity sufficient to permit survival....?
and isnt it scientific to know that one cannot exist in one is not cultured to an extent that permits survival...or earns in whatever niece..
and if one comes in slave and unfamiliar with the conditions of the nieche..that one survived at all... apart from superior physical durabiilty... the survivor came in with basis universal enough to permit the adjust that must have taken place to allow or earn the survival thats saw far more than survial achieved but a floushing of the indivual as a result of his expanding succeeding generations?...even that adjustment demanded an appropriation of the existing culture in the nieche..and an appropriation of the other invading and now dominant cultur..that of the master?
well...???
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Posted: Fri Jul 20th, 2007 09:25 pm |
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and of course whatever the formulation currently westindians/north americans given that it is passed along the generations, nig nog of the west are far from cultureless, heritagel-ess...that not for a minute during that whole procees were we without some sort of it..culture and heritage..like the whole of it as it mutated and expanded over the generations....somewhere in the unconscious procees for whatever, it, through us has has come to dominate culturally throughout the americas?
are you sure you are supre in science...and high intellectual activity?
where is Sir K....?
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Posted: Fri Jul 20th, 2007 09:26 pm |
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but isnt being alive mean that yu posses some kind of culuture in kind and quantity sufficient to permit survival....?
No. Culture is not something one is born with.
Rest of your post didnt make sense to me- so can you rephrase it please ? And no, dont expand it into an essay, just please rephrase what you meant in other words.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20th, 2007 09:28 pm |
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nig nog of the west are far from cultureless, heritageless...that not for a minute during that whole procees were we without some sort of it..culture and heritage
Everything is relative...to us, you are heritageless...us as in us old worlders.Nig nog in brazil are different however.
through us has has come to dominate culturally throughout the americas?
slave-descendants have merely had their presence felt in American culture..which is a pretty paper-thin culture anyways.
A few hip-hop and few Denzels dont make you culturally dominant- the biggest part of culture is philosophy & artistic traditions.
Of which you are barely to scratch the surface in America.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20th, 2007 09:33 pm |
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WIfan wrote:
but isnt being alive mean that yu posses some kind of culuture in kind and quantity sufficient to permit survival....?
No. Culture is not something one is born with.
Rest of your post didnt make sense to me- so can you rephrase it please ? And no, dont expand it into an essay, just please rephrase what you meant in other words.
you will have to try harder..it will help expand your english skills.
catergorical again eh!...culture is not something one is born with eh!!!
Freud postulated long ago. humans are born with a philo-genetic inheritance. it would be of the very greatest value to you to see what he meant by that and the extent knowledge of has been developed to date.
so you may be right that we are not born with culture.... but what you must do is to demonstrate at what point the philogentic content we are born with kicks in...for only then you can you be catergorical about what actually is the case with the culture question and birth as you have raised it.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20th, 2007 09:38 pm |
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Freud postulated long ago.
Psychology has moved far far beyond since Freud's days, with Freud's works no longer considered the bible of psychologists...so don't quote Freud here. But i guess you will since you cant keep up with the times...Freud, Diop, Obenga..lawwd gaad man ! get outta the stone age and develop your perspective further nuh!
but what you must do is to demonstrate at what point the philogentic content we are born with kicks in.
I aint compelled to demonstrate any such thing.
Philogenetic content,like Freud postulated is nothing more than an unproven, unsubstantiated hypothesis.
So i am not gonna bother proving the presence or lack of something that isnt even proven to exist.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20th, 2007 09:39 pm |
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Everything is relative...to us, you are heritageless...us as in us old worlders.Nig nog in brazil are different however.
Sweet!!! from categorical to conditioned, mitigated catergorical when challenged.
from heritage-less, cultureless to "everything is relative..to us you are heritageless..."
who are us...and why should we care what you opinion is inasmuch as we see it in the vacouous, changeling formit is as presented by you?
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Posted: Fri Jul 20th, 2007 09:42 pm |
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who are us.
Old worlders and a few new worlders who didnt lose their heritage(like guyanese indians for eg).
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Posted: Fri Jul 20th, 2007 09:48 pm |
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I aint compelled to demonstrate any such thing.
Philogenetic content,like Freud postulated is nothing more than an unproven, unsubstantiated hypothesis.
So i am not gonna bother proving the presence or lack of something that isnt even proven to exist.
back to a catergorical...on Freud no less...a human being who in his time was responsible for much scietific advance..production that you have not even begun to match...have you wriotten a book on any subject?
lok at an eg b Freud. what is the case when young children consistently display behavior of a maturity they have not lived long enough to have learned?
we have all noticed this fact! please demonstrate some reasonble explantion outside of freuds take?
there is also the argument that as human conditions of existence becomes more and more secure, resulting in greater human confidence overall, in the sense of mastery of our environment that such confidence can be reflected by the young in the earlier ane earlier display of heightened consciousness.
I used to watch white kids the most advance of the species and lo andbehold we find kids doing at 4 years old what teenagers did not do back in the day.
when my daughter in particualry was born it this phenomena really came home to me for literally our of the womd she was upright, sruglling apparently to display behaviour in her mind that her bnody could yet facilitae her accoplishment.
I saw it first with my son but she was exceptional. and subsequently i have seen it all over the place.
if Freud and philogenitists are wrong please profer some decent alternatives as explanatory of such phenomena...phenomena I am confident you..and others who may be looking on are familiar with?
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Posted: Fri Jul 20th, 2007 09:50 pm |
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anyway Ta Ta labyrinthe..I gotta go! you may page me tomorrow..or monday when I return..for I wont bother with pcs on the weekend..this wekend in particular.
party time!
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Posted: Fri Jul 20th, 2007 11:20 pm |
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if Freud and philogenitists are wrong please profer some decent alternatives as explanatory of such phenomena...phenomena I am confident you..and others who may be looking on are familiar with?
I have no idea how to explain it.
Freud noted a phenomena- whether that phenomena is/isnt watertight is for science to deciede. And then Freud put forth a theory- an untested and unsubstantiated theory.
Which as far as i am concerned is NOT proven beyond resonable doubt or scientifically.
So therefore, as i said, i aint bound to prove how something fits into this theory when the theory itself is not proven!
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