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Posted: Sat Jul 14th, 2007 06:44 pm |
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See the Film That Pops Gore's Bubble
In the name of "saving the planet," an international fascist movement has been created with the intention of reducing the world's population on a scale greater than Hitler dared dream of. Environmentalism is just a new name for the policy of Malthusianism or eugenics, long promoted by the Anglo-Dutch finanical system. The purpose of the fraud known as global warming is to justify the slashing of living standards in the developed world, and to condemn billions in the developing sector to a sub-human life, without access to even so elementary a benefit of modern life as electricity.Posted Jul 14, 2007 08:00 AM PST
Category: SCIENCE/HEALTH
Remember that Al Gore, in order to take just one campaign picture of himself paddling a canoe, arranged for a dam in New Hampshire to release 4 billion gallons of water ... in the middle of a record drought
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That seems like the customary Republican and right-winged tactic, but it seems they are getting more desperate, now they are portraying global-warming as a “evil grand conspiracy”.
Two classical lines:
“international fascist movement has been created with the intention of reducing the world's population on a scale greater than Hitler dared dream of” – References to Hitler are always a hit (i.e. Saddam), and apparently this new movement wishes to have a more devastating affect than the “antichrist” himself.
“global warming is to justify the slashing of living standards in the developed world” – Oh no what will all the housewives in the suburbs drive if we take away their SUV’s, where will the Washington Oil Lobby get their funding if more fuel efficient cars are introduced, where will we get the money to buy fluorescent light-bulbs, and so on.
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Posted: Sat Jul 14th, 2007 10:21 pm |
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yu believe in global warming Escobar?
I dont yu know. I dont know if I go this way but global warming is a crock to me and when u go into these things you alwasy find the hand of manipulation in it.
for eg. all the polls shjow a majority of americans against the Iraq war....yet at htis very time the peace/anti war movement is seperated, against it ielsef, impotent, cannot capitalise on the general public sentiment to end the war and.bring the troops home
what that means to me is that the anti war movement has been pre-empted..that it has been composed a along by government sponsored groups set up for the express purpose of misdiedcting the progressive movement
there has always been such government programs...the last one there wAs evidence of was one called COINTELPRO.
maybe yu should google cointelpro.
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COINTELPRO
FBI counterintelligence programs to repress political dissent in the United States.
http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/cointel.htm - 14k
here! I googled it for you!
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Human population needs to be reduced- and drastically so.
No other species bigger that are even half our size have 6 billion + members.
People who deny global warming are the same retards who want to continue raping the planet and expanding human numbers at the cost of this very own planet.
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Posted: Sun Jul 15th, 2007 08:17 am |
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Human population needs to be reduced- and drastically so.
No other species bigger that are even half our size have 6 billion + members.
People who deny global warming are the same retards who want to continue raping the planet and expanding human numbers at the cost of this very own planet.
Indians...people of Indian descent who have welcomed Wifan here as an NRI and muched him - PLEASE TAKE NOTE.
THERE ARE 6 BILLION PEOPLE ON PLANET EARTH OF WHOM IN INDIAN ALONE 1.1 BILLION ARE INDIANS. INCLUDE THE INDIAN DIASPORA AND WE MAY WELL ADD ANOTHER 50 MILLION.
AND IF THE WORLDS POPULATION IS TO BE DRASTICALLY REDUCE BY WHOM, WHAT AMOUNT AND WITH WHAT MEANS....AND MOST IMPORTANTLY WHO ARE TO BE REDUCED?
IF THE BILLION INDIANS ARE NOT A GREAT PART OF THE REDUCTION THEN WHO ARE TO BE. AFRICANS TOO AND CHINESE! WHAT ABOUT THE WHITES...ARE THERE SUPERFLOUS WHITES TO BE REDUCED TOO..ARE DO THE PLANS EXCLUDE ALL WHITES?
AND IF SKUNTFACE WIFAN ADVOCATES THIS PLAN WHAT IS HE: iNDIAN OR UNCLE, A TRAITOR WHO IN HIS OWN MIND HAS ALREADY COMMITTED THE SIN OF GENOCIDE AGAINST HIS OWN PEOPLE?
BUT OF COURSE THE WIFAN HANDLE IS PROBABLY JUST THE BOARD FACE TO HIDE AN ENTITY..THREE OF THEG GOING BY THE NUMBER 6 = 666 HIMSELF.
and now becuse we know Skuntfan to be a devil in disguise he is close to or represent the thinking of the powers that be we can see claerly what the Global warming issue really is ...as is claimed in the article and documentary a guise to justify the mass slaughter to come.
if we wanted any proof at all of the claim that Global Warming is a program of hidden genocide you have just given it to us Skuntfan.
listen people:
1) every one alive currently will soon enough be dea..so much for the 6 billion!
2) far from an over population problem we have a population problem: who are to replace the 6 billion. every country in the developed world is losing popuylation bigtime and one cause is most certainly development, which portends thr problems for the entire planet once development spreads worldwide.
the questions is how to maintain population, even replacement population when people no longer have need for 6 and 7 children for families?
3) the phisical principle of expansion and decline! processes come into being out of parent processes which gave rise to them..they in turn giving rise tpo more and on and on. each process ios born reaches itrs peak and then declince giving rise to more like itself.
in there there is no equilibrium, no stasis, no balance. a simple process of beginning, peak and decline. it can be stated that if a process is not growing it is in decline.
is the human species really growing or has our social life a processitself that can be called the csiocial process itself peaked and is no on the decline...hence we have so many genocidal maniacs like Wifan proposing insane solutions for problems that do not even exist.
the problem is Skuntfan himself,who represent a system in the world that is no longer working,..which failure threatens the class that has become entrenched in social power because of this sytem. and to meet this threat this social challenge and to maintain its global power it tells us that its problem are ours and we must agree to have ourselves reduced or killed off by the billions to solve our problems which are not ours at all but thr e problems of the elite
the fundamental problem in the world is capitalism. its time has come as it must and society must evolve into new systrems of social organisation and economic production that meet human needs of survival on the day, stage and period.
THAT IS THE PROBLEM AND NO OTHER....AND THE WHOLE MATRIX OF OTHER PROBLEMS IN SOCIAL LIFE GLOBALLY STEM FROM OR GROW OUT OF THE BASIC ONE..THE FAILURE OF CAPITALISM THROUGH OLD AGE AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF PRODUCTIVE FORCES THAT OUTSTRIP CAPITALISM'S CAPABILITY TO ORGANISE EFFEXCTIVELY IN THE INTEREST OF THE HUMAN SPECIES.
THAT IS ALL IT IS. WE AHEV AGAIN ARIVED AT A POINT OF BASCI SOCIAL REVOLUTION, WHEN THE OLD HAS RUN ITS COURSE AND IS FAILING AND SOCIETY MUST EVOLVE INTO NEW FORM OR ORGANISATION. IT IS A TIME WHEN THE PEOPLE ARE DUE TO RISE UIP AND EXECUE THIS FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE IN HUMAN RELATIONS.
THE OLD IS FIGHTING TO MAINTAIN ITSELF..THE CAPITALISTS...THEY ARE FIGHTING TO MAINTAIN CAPITALISM AND THEIR PALCE AT THE TOP OF HUMAN SOCIETY. THEY CANNOT DO IN IF NATURE IS ALLOWED TO TAKE ITS COURSE. SO GIVEN THE TECHNOLOGIVAL POWER OF THE DAY, IN THEIR HANDS, THEY HAVE PLANNED TO CARRY OUT WHATEVER THEY BELIEVE IS NECESSARY TO MAINTAIN THEIR POWER WHCIUH THEY SEE AS GOD GIVEN AND EQUAL TO THE WORLD. IT IS THEY OR NO WORLD AT ALL, FOER THEY ARE THE WORLD AND WITHOUT THEM IT IS ANARCHY, CHAOIS ETC.
THAT IS THE NONSENSE THEY BELIEVE AS IF NATURE CARES ABOUT THAT SECTARION SHIT. AND THERE IS WHERE THE ENTITY SKUNTFAN SITS, IN COMPLICTY WITRH THE OLD, BATTLING RIGHT HERE AND NOW TO KEEP CAPITALISM IN PLACE. THAT IS WHY THE JACKASS THING FOLLOWS ME AROUIND ON THIS MB FOR IT CLEALY SEES THE NEED TO ADDRESS THE MORE FUNDAMENTAL COMMENTS I MAKE FOR HE FEARS THE IMPACT THEY MAY HAVE ON READERS HERE ON 446
That is what the rhe entity is up!
4) this is the final challenge to humanity as a whole. we face up to it and win and we move on into a maturing stage, in full confrontation with our realty as biological beings in the same process IU have tried to describe.
if we let Skuntfan and whose he represent win then humanity is toast. in fact we may be toast already for we have done some seriuous damage to the planet and ourselves. we have one window, a small one remaing to turn around and set up a living situation on planet earth. that means social revolution, thoroiugh-going and complete.
there is no other way but for the masses to rise and take society forward. that is the mode byu which society progresses...through massive social revolution. that has alwasy been the case and walwasy will be as longf as we rain divided society rule ny an exploiting minority, based on dived socially and rule. once that type of social organisation passes we will emerge into a type of social activity demanding new ways of reformoimng itself ias it goes.
let the skunt face come with his lies now and you all out there better get prepared to develop allyuh capability to partic[ate in this and all out there effectively in allyuh individual; and claass interest...and stop skunt face minorities and dictaros rule our lives
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there is no overpopulation problem..and Global Warming is agenocidal farce!
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AND IF THE WORLDS POPULATION IS TO BE DRASTICALLY REDUCE BY WHOM, WHAT AMOUNT AND WITH WHAT MEANS....AND MOST IMPORTANTLY WHO ARE TO BE REDUCED?
IF THE BILLION INDIANS ARE NOT A GREAT PART OF THE REDUCTION THEN WHO ARE TO BE. AFRICANS TOO AND CHINESE! WHAT ABOUT THE WHITES...ARE THERE SUPERFLOUS WHITES TO BE REDUCED TOO..ARE DO THE PLANS EXCLUDE ALL WHITES?
AND IF SKUNTFACE WIFAN ADVOCATES THIS PLAN WHAT IS HE: iNDIAN OR UNCLE, A TRAITOR WHO IN HIS OWN MIND HAS ALREADY COMMITTED THE SIN OF GENOCIDE AGAINST HIS OWN PEOPLE?
You talk too much skunt because of the chip on your shoulder.
Who said anything about genocide ? 1 child per couple policy is good enough to reduce the population by HALF in 30-40 yrs time.
And yes, it includes whites, indians,blacks,chinese etc etc.
People who deny overpopulation problem are the clueless idiots who have very little clue about how much population this earth can sustain. And i don't care about how much FOOD we can grow- that is irrelevant. What is relevant is how much population the earth can sustain without us wiping off all the other species off the land and clear-cutting forests away.
and Global Warming is agenocidal farce!
Denying science wont let you anywhere except to your own fruitless annihilation.
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This is the first time I heard population reduction strategies as a solution for global warming. Everything I heard advocated was lifestyle and technological changes. But we could do nothing about global warming, and let old "natural disasters" Malthusian population check decrease population. Then we would really see new and old territorial wars, as land is going to be at a premium.
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Escobar wrote:
This is the first time I heard population reduction strategies as a solution for global warming. Everything I heard advocated was lifestyle and technological changes. But we could do nothing about global warming, and let old "natural disasters" Malthusian population check decrease population. Then we would really see new and old territorial wars, as land is going to be at a premium.
Population reduction is ultimately necessary- because a huge reason for global warming is we clear-cutting forests to make way for agricultural land and cities...just think...in the last 150 yrs, approximately 8 million square km of land was clear-cutted from forests were clear-cut away in the US, Canada and brazil. That wont have an impact on GW ?
PS: I am a humanist first, Indian/Canadian second..which is why i do not like the idea of Malthusian terriotorial wars.
If it came down to that,the world would then be Indian,chinese and White- the arabs & the blacks would be wiped out in any 'malthusian wars' because while the whites have superior firepower, we indians and chinese have much more # of people...so the first target would be the poor black and arab folks...
ironic thing is, Maphead opposes my solution but his opposition will be the doom of his own 'race'.
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What I am suggesting is sustainable development; those of us that live in privileged countries will have to make some sacrifices. How willing are we to take the bus to work, drive a hybrid instead of an SUV, put a higher tax on fossil fuels, replacing appliances with more energy efficient counterparts, purchase grocery items without the intensive packaging and so on.
World population as it stands is sustainable, there is enough for everyone but not their greed, to paraphrase the great Gandhi. Reducing population does not get to the heart of the problem, that we live in a society that is very wasteful and have been accustomed to living grossly self-indulging lives. Why should we reduce the world’s population? So we can continue to live the lifestyle that we do? We have the means to slow down the processes of global warming; it’s only a matter of changing of implementation.
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World population as it stands is sustainable, there is enough for everyone but not their greed, to paraphrase the great Gandhi.
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No!
There is enough food for everyone-yes. But seriously, we are massively over-populated.
I am not one of the retards who argue 'lets keep our gas-guzzling cars, power-plants and wasteful lifestyle- lets just reduce our population by 1/6th and we'll be fine'.
I am fully in favour of alternative sources of fuel and a socialist-agenda regulating capitalism like it happens in scandinavian countries.
The reason i am pro-population reduction is because population growth has led to massive environmental degradation over the centuries. To a point where it is unsustainable now. Remember, we are supposed to be part of nature- one of many species. not the ONLY species left walking.
All this alternative sources of energy to preserve climate counts for squat if we keep breeding and clearing forests to make way for agricultural lands and cities...
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Posted: Mon Jul 16th, 2007 07:05 pm |
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Denying science wont let you anywhere except to your own fruitless annihilation.
and look at the conflicted asshole!!!!!
what is he proposing......annihilation anyway! he proposes to kill off half to 2 thirds the human population...then admonishes me me with the above statement.
this is what you call insanity...the inanity of the western right-wing, where the entity lives.
no one nees to die for global warming, a situation a problem that does not exist.
everyone will die anyway solving the overpopulation problem with with is absolutely natural.
we have a population problem currently in the developed world, and soon to vist the entire planet if social revolution is successful and spreads material and human development to all the people of the world.
then we are would be faced with the question of how to deal with maintiang a growing human population, expanding and so on the up curve.... for if we are not expanding we would be in decline..to what extinction?
I will soon post what Richard lleakey of the the great leakey family says on this question.
far from the absoilute jackass and misdiorecting c
shit chat of the entity we have aproblem the contours of which he does not touch.
in fact it is his argument that would lead ud to destruction for it does not dela with the real human population problem but the jackass western propaganda, tha that has behind ithe saving of the white race from subsunation into the coloured races of the world.
the racists/fascists intend to kill people of colour like raindrops to make sure the white race survives. and that is what the Skunfan has been co-opted into. an Indian fascist against his own people coopted by the white racists to help kill his own.
the entity, that goes by the handle Wifan is an example of the greatest type of fool the human species produces..the turncoat.
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What I am suggesting is sustainable development; those of us that live in privileged countries will have to make some sacrifices. How willing are we to take the bus to work, drive a hybrid instead of an SUV, put a higher tax on fossil fuels, replacing appliances with more energy efficient counterparts, purchase grocery items without the intensive packaging and so on.
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escobar! you are doing a dangerous something here..talking openly with that doctrinaire idiot turncoat entioty without a sufficient base of knowledge to give you a critical chance against his nonsense.
dont you see the jackass contradictions in his speches: he is a humanist..yet he is proposing to kill off 2-3 billion people or more.
and to prove he is a coopted soul he has so much faith in what he says he is prepared to come before Indisn themselves who will among the first killed with his message of killing off the worlds population.
that is what you call faith, religious, doctrinaire. he is not afraid for himself..if he is indeed indian. his message is all.
where is the science here, where is the great engineer so scientific?
don you see the damm fool coopetd operating at the behest of his white handlers?
look here escobar? how much is there in the world now? where is it produced?
how much productive capacity in the developing world the west has FORCED out of production to maintain their markets for western produced food?
is trhere not a suefeit of food in the world only from western sources? how much fdo they dump?
has the engineer jackass undertaken a study or world productive forces and land availability to cary the hum,an population indefinetly? or does he continue to rely on western studies for his answers?
LET ME ESTABLISH THIS FOR YOU ESCOBAR....THEN YOU GO TRY ANSWER FROM YOUR OWN RESEARCH THE QUESTIONS ABOVE..AND ANY MORE THAT DEVELP DURING YOUR RESEARCH;
THE SO-CALLED HUMAN OVERPOPULATION PROBLEM IS A CAPITALIST PROBLEM FOR THE CAPITLAIST CANNOT MAINTIAN EMPLOYMENT FOR A GFROWING POPULATION INDEFINTELY IN A MARKET ECONOMY.
REASON: THERE IS AN EXPONENT TO PRODUCTIVE CAPACITY AND THERE IS NO EXPONENT TO POPULATION GROWTH RELATIVE TO THOSE INSIDE THE MARKET.
IT IS BAD EBNNOUGH THAT THOSE OUSIDE THE MARKET KEEP GROING PROVIDNIGN A SERIOUS POLITICAL AND REVOLUTIONARY PROBLEM FOR THE SYSTEM.
BUT THOSE INSIDE THE MARKET DECREASE WHILE CAPACITY GROWS..INDEED HAVE LONG OUTSTRIPPED THE CAPACITY OF THOSE INSIDE AND ALSO OUTSIDE THE MAKET TO CONSUME TO MAKE ROOM FOR MORE GROWTH.
ALL OF THIS HAS A NEGATIVE EFFECT ON CAPITALIST PROFITABILITY, RESULTS IN FALLING RATES OF PROFIT, CONCENTRATION IN BUSINESS OWNERSHIP AND TYOES OF PRICING THAT MAINTIANS PROFITS FROM SMALLER AND SMALLER BUSINESS ACTIVITY..ALSO TO OUTSOCURCING OF JOBS AROUND THE WORLD AND THE REDUCTION OF LIVING STANDARDS EVEN INSIDE THE MARKET.
SO WE HAVE IN THE WORLD THE PHENOMENA OF LIVING STANDARDS DROPING EVERYWHERE, WHILE THE RIGH GET RICHER...AND ENORMOUS TECHNOLOGICAL CAPACITY THAT CAN SOLVE THE WORLDS MATERIAL PROBLEMS LYING IDLE...
THATS RIGHT IDLE...WHILE STARBWOY AL GORE RUNS AROUND THE WORLD CRYING GLOBAL WARMING, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME HIS OWN CONSUMPTION OF THE WORLDS RESOURCES HIS ONE INDIVIDUAL SELF AND HIS FAMILY IN THE 3-4 HOUSES HE OWNS OUTSTRIPS THE EARNINGS OF WHOLE COMMUNITES OF THOUSANDS IN THE DEVELOPING WORLD.
ONE REASON WHY GORE CAN DO THIS IS BECUSE HE KNOWS IT IS NOT TRUE..WHAT HE IS SYAING..THAT THERE IS A PURPOSE TO HIS LIES...AND THAT PURPOSE IS TO SAVE HIS SYSTEM.
AL GORE IS THEN A A MOST SINCERE LEADER..... OF HIS OWN SOCIAL CLASS..THE ELITE CLASS.
IF YOU LOOK AT LEADERSHIP AS THE PRESINDENCY OF AMERICA, FARNCE ETC YOU MISS THE WHOLE POINT OF LEADERHSIP IN THE WORLD.
IT IS CLASS YOU MUST BE CONCERNED WITH. AND IF YOU ARE YOU WILL THEN SEE THAT HAVING OFFICE IS NUTTEN TO THE ELITES, THAT AT ALL TIMES ALL OF THEIR LEADER LEADERS REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL AFFLIATION ACCORDING TO IDEOLOGY THEY ARE LEADING FOR THEIR CLASS NOT FOR ANY NATION AS A WHOLE. FOR THEM THEY ARE THE NATION PERIOD!
THAT IS WHY YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND AN ENTITY LIKE SKUNTFAN. HE IS A RICH MAN AND THERE IS A CORESPONDENCE BETWEEN ALL THE ELITES OF THE WORLD. THEY ARE TO A GREAT EXTENT INTERDEPENDENT, EVEN THE COLOURED ONES AND WORK TOGETHER FOR THEIR MUTUAL OR CLASS INTEREST GLOBALLY. THAT ANOTHER REASON WHY THE WIFAN ENTITY CASN TELL INDIANS THEY MUST AGREE TO HAVE THENMSELVES KILLED.
WIFAN BELIEVES AS ELITE HE WILL NOT BE KILLED..SO HE CAN ADVOCATE THAT ORDINARY INDIANS BE KILLED OFF IN THE HUNDEREDS FO MILLIONS.
THE SACRIFICE HE IS ASKING YOU TO MAKE BY GIVING UP YOUR LIFE HE WILL NOT BE MAKING AT ALL.
THERE IS MUCH MORE i WILL TELL YOU BUT i HAVE TO GO NOW...i HAVE TO CONTINUE THIS ECONOMIC POINT...
BUT IT IS CRICTICAL ESCOBAR THAT YOU DEVELOIP YOU OWN CRITICAL ABILITY IN THIS DEBATE.
TO SAVE HUMANITY FROM THIS ABSOLUTE AND UNNECESSARY CATASTROPHE...A FACSIMILE ACTUALLY GOING ON RIGHT NOW IN IRAQ..WHICH IS ACTUALLY ALL THE IRAQ/AFGHANI WARS ARE ABOUT..WAR TO REDUCE AND ELIMINATE WHOLE POPULATIONS...WE MUST HAVE SANE AND EDUCATED PEOPLE..FUL OF KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH REGARDLESS OF WHICH SIDE OF THE EQUATION YOU ARE ON.
BUT BE FOREWARNED...THERE IS NO OVERPOPULATIONPROBLEM!!!! ONLY A CAPITILASIT PROBLEM. IT IS "HOW HE CAPITALIST SAVE HIMSELF AND HIS SYSEM AS HISTORY IS ABOUT TO PASS HIM BY.
THAT IS THE CRISIS OF THE DAY AND STAGE AND NOTHING ELSE. ALL AND EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD YOU SEE, ALL THE ISSUES AND HOW THEY ARE STRUCTURES GFROWTHS OUT OF THIS FUNDAMENTAL REALITY...THE FAILURE IN TIME, THE OLD AGE OF A SYSTEM AND THE SLITE IT BROUGHT TO SOCIAL DOMINANCE...THE OLD FACVING THE NEW AND MUST GIUVE WAY TO THE NEW...YET PUTTING UP A MIGHTY FIGHT TO SATY IN CHARGE. RIGHT IN THE CENTRE OF THIS WITH ALL HIS BULLSHIT YOU WILL FIND EXPLANATION FOR THE BULLSHIT WARRIOR WIFAN, SKUNFAN I CALL HIM FOR HE IS THE WORST KIND OF HUMAN BEING...A TURNCOAT.
BUT IT IS ESSENTIAL YOU BRIUNG YOURSELF UP TO SPEED SO THAT you KNOW AND YOU ARE NOTR DEPENDENT ON WHAT ANYONE TELSS YOU CATEGORICALLY.
THE SAME GFOERS FOR EVERYONE ELSE!
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COMPETITIVE PRODUCTION, CAPITALIST PRODUCTION HAS ALWASY ENSURED THE PERFECTABILITY OF PRODUCTIVE FORCES, INTRODUCING THE X FACTOR TO PRODUCTIVE FORCES FROM THE START, ENSURING TECHNOLOGICAL REVOLUTIONS RELATIVE TO PRODUCTION ALL ALONG..TO THE POINT AT WHICH CURRENTLY A FACTORY THAT USED TO EMPLOY THOUSANDS A GENERATION OR MORE AGO, TO ENSURE CERTAIN LEVELS OF PRODUCTION, CAN CURRENTLY BE BUILT TO BE RUN BY 1-2 HUNDERED PERSONEL TO PRODUCE FAR MORE THAN THE THOUSANDS USED TO BACT IN A NOT DO DISTANT DAY.
THIS LEVEL OF CAPACITY OUTSTRIPS THE HUMAN CAPACITY TO CONSUME EVEN ALL THE 6 BILLION WERE INSIDE THE MARKET. CURRENT CPACITY IF FULLY EMPLOYED COULD CARRY TWICE THE CURRENT PLANETARY HUMAN POPULATION.
currently more planes, trains, cars, shoes, pants, food etc can be manufactured and grown than all the humans that live can fly, ride, drive, wear and eat. and he energy that it takes to produce all this and more does not creat a heat problem in the world.
it has so far created a pollution problem but that seems deliberat as well. it appears the capitalist let everything bad happen to use ideologically against the majority in the world to justify what they are doing, to seperate human mids from proper reasoning.
production can be made cleaner that it is by carrying through the treatment of toxic wastes to harmless substances.
the capitalist refuses to to this, poisons the people...has poisoned the air land and water, the food we eat and the liquids we drink.
so pollution is the absolte dangerous problem killing people by the thousands daily.
YET WITH THE RISE OF GLOBAL WARMING AS AN ISSUE POLLUTION HAS ALL BUT DISAPPEARED AS A SERIOUS ISSUES IN THE MEDIA. YER HOW MANY MILLIONS OF CANCERS THAT PEOPLE DIE FROM DAILY, HEART DISEASE, AND THOUSANDS OF OTHER DEBILITATING ILLNESS STEMMING FROM POLLUTION IS NOW IGNORED UNDER FULL ATTACK FROM GLOBAL WARMING?
so the issue should be pollution not global warming. and if pollution is killing millions yearly and it is now forced ot out of the consciousness of the people of the world by a spurrious issue.
Global Warming isnt killing the people...which is what what the system is really after .
Global Warming only threatens to kill millions so far. Pollution actually kills millions and all have forgotten how serious a problem it is under the monopoly of the media by Gore and his bullshit.
the caoitalists are laughintheir way to the bank with the success of fooling the people again...and keeping them fooled, and frightened all the time
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if the world is heating up and carbom immissions by humans is the cause why isnt the capitalist doing more to reduce co2 emissions!?
maybe the engineer can tell us how to make cracking of gas in an internal combustion engine so useful that it re -uses the gas until it is ready to dissipate ino space as harmless heat.
I am not versed in these things but zI do know that our use of fossils fuels if extremely waeteful dictated by capatilist principle..which buils obsolence into its products and processes on the principle of sell more..not quality construction for max prolonged use.
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he proposes to kill off half to 2 thirds the human population...then admonishes me me with the above statement.
this is what you call insanity...the inanity of the western right-wing, where the entity lives.
no one nees to die for global warming, a situation a problem that does not exist
You talk too much skunt about issues you do not understand- an undereducated fellow brainwashed due to his extremist white-hate agenda.
Nobody is supporting killing off people here- only asking you not to make more morons like you by procreating and brainwashing your chirren to be the next batch of fugging morons.
Is that in any way not clear ?
Stop fugging reproducing ! Not fugging killing !
and i ent talking about every-fugging-body stopping reproducing- that'd be pretty stupid. But enough so that in 100-150 yrs, there are 1 billion of us, maybe less and we can return to mother nature the land we destroyed only because we bred too-fugging much!
We are supposed to be ONE species amongst MANY- not living in fugging concrete jungles with a cat,dog or a sparrow in sight only.
You fugging dotties and then north-american living folks have no fugging idea bout this really.
You is the parasite that breeds like crazy without control and without any care to the REST of the ecosystem.
This is a planet we live on- NOT our planet to own,pillage and exterminate life from.
But chip-pon-shoulda slave-descendants have very little clue because they see everything with their race-tinted glasses.
Cleaning up our technological wastes & pollution is a huge priority-but you fuggin retard, it wont do SQUAT if we keep breeding and clear-cutting more forests for lumber and agricultural lands !
Fugging moron of the highest order is you- miseducated, chip-pon-shoulda and with a mind sealed tigher than a swiss-bank vault. I cyan open a mind that closed-off but i sure can try and contain the propaganda of your closeminded brain.
Which is why you fugging ran away from the discussion of civilization and you fugging cant answer about our clear-cutting for agricultural lands and extinction of species due to our huge population infringement of land ( no way should humans hog 70% of the habitable land- yes, we hog it in either our farms, cities, plantations or drilling projects).
Like i said, don't kill off your race by being fugging stupid.If population is left unchecked, there will be massive wars in human future for resource-domination.
That war will use any agenda necessary-religion, race & culture. First victims of that will be your precious hafricans because you is the easiest of 'races' to wipe out today if there was a racial 'total war'.
Which is why wake the fugg up and preach about loweing our population. Otherwise, your race is gonna be the first casualty in a total war for resource-domination.
You is the fugging idiot that is chopping the same tree on which your treehouse is, simply because you too a blind fugger.
Carry on- not my loss really. My job was to warn yuh- if yuh bring doom pon your own race- be my guest. We may go too, but you going before us- remember dat.
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maybe the engineer can tell us how to make cracking of gas in an internal combustion engine so useful that it re -uses the gas until it is ready to dissipate ino space as harmless heat.
Spoken like a true idiot. Stick to mindless sci-fi, given that your understanding of science is so ridiculous to think that it'd be even worthwhile doing that.
do know that our use of fossils fuels if extremely waeteful dictated by capatilist principle
Big problem is transportational fuel. Electric cars/planes arnt gonna be a reality. And nuclear-planes are the dumbest-fugging idea ever. So until you find something that you can carry along, recharge easy and isnt fugging expensive to make, fossil fuel is gonna remain. Its a matter of economics that not even communists or socialists can deny because that kind of denial belongs only in strict commie theory that is not implementable in society.
As i said- no way in hell you are ever gonna get a society where a guy who busted his a$$ learning advanced sciences to be an engineer is happy making exactly the same as a McDonald's burger-flipper. Dat kind of senility belongs in senile books like Das Capital, not in reality.
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You talk too much skunt because of the chip on your shoulder.
Who said anything about genocide ? 1 child per couple policy is good enough to reduce the population by HALF in 30-40 yrs time.
And yes, it includes whites, indians,blacks,chinese etc etc.
the only chip on my shoulder is the one you put there.
there might actually have been one in the past however.
and if there is one there why must a blac man have to expalin it. chip on my shoulder or not I have nothing of the kind to explain away nor excuse for or to anyMCone...least of al you Wifan
Who said anything about genocide ? 1 child per couple policy is good enough to reduce the population by HALF in 30-40 yrs time.
And yes, it includes whites, indians,blacks,chinese etc etc.
who yu trying to fool? do you and your handlers really believe any such tomfoolery? or do you expect the people fo the world to agree to any such plan of population reduction?
do you actually believe the capitalist relys on any such hit and miss, consent of the target nonses when they are planning..especially when they have the means at their disposal to effect their plans?
you must be truly co-opted man...a pure fool!
there are ways afoot as we speak to reduce the worls population...aids and all the recent exotic diseases are part of the mix. Gore with his Global Wwrming nonsense is the economic component in the mix now well underway.
those scientists who are calling Gores science to diplay itself in the face of truth are working for humanity, to save our asses for they are well aware of whats planned.
you are the fool Skuntfan...and absolute one..coopted to work against yourself.
I have know the capitalist for all my life. I can now tell at a glance the ulteriors of any program that comes about. The war on Poverty: a War on the Poor. The War on Drugs...the war for drugs and the destruction of minorities in America specifically the homosexual community who remember were targetd first in the aids attack.
The Alliance for Progress: the progres of western coporations at the expense of Latin America.
the war to End all Wars: to prepare the way for Endless War
the war on Terror: a war to terrorise the rest of the world and to justify or lay the ground work for the locking down of America, Canada and Mexico
go back man..through the years to see what all the wars were about. the informaion is now de-classified. easy just google them..or make requests yourself for information. they will give it to you.
Global Warming is simply the latest justification of a program to further the aims of that status quo globally
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As i said- no way in hell you are ever gonna get a society where a guy who busted his a$$ learning advanced sciences to be an engineer is happy making exactly the same as a McDonald's burger-flipper. Dat kind of senility belongs in senile books like Das Capital, not in reality.
when you post like that you confirm my impression of you as a damm erudite fool..a man so full of himself yet the biggest fool there is.
do me a favour and take this claim of yours above to the humanities department of Simon Fraser and ask for opinions as to its credibility and value.
then honestly let us all here know see the replies.
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mapoui wrote:
As i said- no way in hell you are ever gonna get a society where a guy who busted his a$$ learning advanced sciences to be an engineer is happy making exactly the same as a McDonald's burger-flipper. Dat kind of senility belongs in senile books like Das Capital, not in reality.
when you post like that you confirm my impression of you as a damm erudite fool..a man so full of himself yet the biggest fool there is.
do me a favour and take this claim of yours above to the humanities department of Simon Fraser and ask for opinions as to its credibility and value.
then honestly let us all here know see the replies.
Nothing more than rhetoric from an idealist fool who is too idealist to the point that it doesnt work.
What a pity that these type of idealist fools,idealizing something that is not workable is the retard talking about sensibility- and the usual suspsect excuse of capistalism(hey sh!thead, i aint a capitalist! but i aint a retarded marxist like you either!), racism and bigotry.
I guess slave-descendant with chip-pon-shoulda have no clue to how the world works...afterall, this cretin hasnt even left the 'new world' and hardly knows anthing of the REAL world-the old world, where humanity has been based, is based and will be based in primacy forever. Sorry but you is a clueless blackman with a chip on your shoulder.
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those scientists who are calling Gores science to diplay itself in the face of truth are working for humanity, to save our asses for they are well aware of whats planned.
Do not confuse clueless hacks for scientists. And do not take too seriously an issue that you lack the brain cells and the qualification to understand.
Global warming-whether real or not- you aint a credible person to debate on this. Your understanding of science is minimal- and if not, i dare ya to disclose your qualifications and level of scientific persuit.
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those scientists who are calling Gores science to diplay itself in the face of truth are working for humanity, to save our asses for they are well aware of whats planned.
Do not confuse clueless hacks for scientists. And do not take too seriously an issue that you lack the brain cells and the qualification to understand.
Global warming-whether real or not- you aint a credible person to debate on this. Your understanding of science is minimal- and if not, i dare ya to disclose your qualifications and level of scientific persuit.
neither are you idiot! from what yu display yu lack in the most basic activity of all...simple reasoning, wisdon, common sense. you have displayed yousef to be such a complete jackass in these pages that just to see your handle raises disgust.
is this a contest between you and I abouquantity of personal knowledge of science?
thats what i claimed about you above: you are an accumulator of qualifications for grandstanding and show -off...who is brighter than who?
childish bullshit
at a time in the world when there is general crisis all you are in this for is show-
fuck you and your qualifications. they are useless here and wherever you are for the serve little useful purpose. for all you qualifications you have displayed yourself a damm foll wrapped up by western bullshit, turned inside out against yourself and trying to lead your own to tragedy at the hands of your enemy. you damm fool
I truly hate people like you. as such you are no damm different from all the blac people you are so conemptuous of. you are as much infiltrated and dumb like they are, acting daily against yourself, fully coopted in the ineterst of people who like to see the face of you, horizontal and facing up as they lay you down.
what qualification do I need after a lifetime as a blac man to know when I am being scammed by the white western elite?
and there you go categorical again about hacks and who has qualifications or not... setting yourself up as the know-it all, raising disgust with you to an all time high.
.why are these scientists hacks, what are their names and the quality of their work...how can you tell the quality of their work... what qualifies you to pronounce on them in such a complete and negatively judgemental fashion? after all you are an engineer not a meterologist.
that is what you must do with your superior scientific knowledge..make the issues simple for us lesser breeds, so that we become equipped to deal effectively with the issue
you have not even singled out one of the scientists you call hack..c and try to tell us whythey are hack....with an examination of their work.... and peer review of the man/woman.
you have made no attempt to explain you claim in any fashion giving something we can run with....only challenging me to and exposure of qualifications to jude who is more qualfied.
so when you win that exposure what has changed apart for the momentary thril you get form besting me in this fashion? has the issue suddenly been changed positively as a result of you being an engineer? what effect does the fact that you went to Simon Fraser have on anything at all? who the fuck cares,if that fact did not fit you out to be a decent contributor to human progress, and not the jackass you have proven yourself to be in these pages?
yet you judge the opposition to Gore so harshly and you give us nothing in return for your outright condemnation, nothing to explain and substantiate your claims.
but yu see idiot...I know the western elite and all their works over the years. actual experience at their hands has taught me to distruist anything and everything flowing from them...it is guilty until proven innocent with them.
now you tell me if I am wrong to be so distrustful?
the CIA has just released what has been termed th'family jewels'...a long list of western elite crime in the world. go take a look will you ...if you havent already.
I listd elsewhere a long line of wars by America..on Poverty, On terror, on drugs, on Irag and Afghanistan: and programs: the Alliance for progress..etc.
then there were the contras, cointelpro and all manner of evils perpetrated aginst the people. Americans were gassed, exposed to epidemics, experimented on with drugs to alter the mind..and lord knows what else.
now I must trust Al Gore and his Global Warming bullsht?
man even if the the scientific comunity did not come out against his nonsense, common sense and experience should lead the generality..including you...to distrust Al Gore, until we are certain what he is saying is right and contains nohidden programs against the peole of america and the world.
every other program, scare and issue before, has hidden programs deleterious to the general population of the planet...so why not this rass one?
common sense should also tell us that given the nature and longevity of the planet we have come to understand so far, that there are patterns and cycles that far outstrip human time....more time than we have been here so far...which lends credibility to opposing scientific claims.
you musty tell us why what scientist claim in opposition to Gore is untrue and why the results of 'hackish' endeavours are also not true.
I asked you recently for example, to explain what precession of the equinoxes meant and you still have not come up with an answer.
the precessions is a cylce of 26000+ years duration, an extremely important cycle the origins of knowledge, destroys your Coonian bullshit about sapienisation and social cultural origination outside of Africa.
if you are really some 22-24 year old Simon Fraser graduate you are some kind of fool you are. your fellow NRI's wont tell you but I am telling you that you are..giving you the chance to begin a program of correction and personal development that may lead you to become a decent human being in tune with your world and help to the development of the humasn of whom you are a part.
you are young yet and may make of your life a worthwhile...but not as you are going.
that again is of course if what you say you are is true.
I of course do not believe any such thing. you are some 3 people posting one handle, following some line of propaganda for whatever purpose.
'you' are so'religious' that you can hardly be anything else.
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what qualification do I need after a lifetime as a blac man to know when I am being scammed by the white western elite?
Spoken like a true chip-pon-shoulder victim mentality slave-descendant.
fuck you and your qualifications. they are useless here and wherever you are for the serve little useful purpose.
If it only were so easy to rubbish qualifications in real life. They are not useless here (in this thread) and very much relevant. Global Warming is to do with science- something i am very well trained in and something which you are clueless about.
now I must trust Al Gore and his Global Warming bullsht?
man even if the the scientific comunity did not come out against his nonsense, common sense and experience should lead the generality..including you...to distrust Al Gore, until we are certain what he is saying is right and contains nohidden programs against the peole of america and the world.
Little knowledge is a dangerous thing. FYI, Gore was dismissive of Global Warming while he was the veep. Gore's stock was falling(he was in near obscurity), so he took the GW issue and jumped pon its bandwagon. Ie, it is not a brainchild of Gore that we buying- GW was true even when Gore was rejecting it and GW is true even when agenda-driven chip-pon-shoulda blackmen like yourself are rejecting it.
I asked you recently for example, to explain what precession of the equinoxes meant and you still have not come up with an answer.
I am waiting for you to answer my 100 other questions in the IVC thread. You aint getting any answers till you answer my questions, fool.
that is what you must do with your superior scientific knowledge..make the issues simple for us lesser breeds, so that we become equipped to deal effectively with the issue
And that is what i do in real life. But i cannot open your mind for you- cant teach a fugger like you who isnt willing to learn in the first place !
destroys your Coonian bullshit about sapienisation and social cultural origination outside of Africa.
Typical diversionary tactic from the afro-superiorist.
I say again, my views have nothing to do with Carleton Coon. Coon argued that we as a species developed in seperate parts of the world and not necessarily out of africa. Coon's question is about evolution of the species.
Something i havnt even touched- my question is the evolution of civilization- something you havnt touched/cant touch.
giving you the chance to begin a program of correction and personal development that may lead you to become a decent human being in tune with your world and help to the development of the humasn of whom you are a part.
And i say the same to you. Given that i've travelled far more than you have and is far more aware about what is in tune with the world and what isnt, doctor, take thy own medicine!
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And i say the same to you. Given that i've travelled far more than you have and is far more aware about what is in tune with the world and what isnt, doctor, take thy own medicine
how have you arrived at this insane conclusin..yu have travelled more than I?
what in heavens name do you know about me?
who told you what about me? the Rev and his so-called cracking of peoples info with his pc wizardry?
yes I have heard all about that!
man as i said you are nuts! catergorical and assumptive to an insane degree.
you know nothing of the sort..and I have travelled extensively.
to tell who has travelled more we would to swap information and compare...to prove a trivial and silly point.
that is where all your childish bullshit debate leads..always!
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I am waiting for you to answer my 100 other questions in the IVC thread. You aint getting any answers till you answer my questions, fool.
you really believ I am going to spend the huge time it would take to wade through and eal with your nonsense at such a low level of knowledge and intellectual discourse?
you are phantastic, dealing in fairy tales. I am not.
You dont know about the precession anyway.....
I will take the time to explain it soon!
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you are phantastic, dealing in fairy tales. I am not.
Other way round, fella. And you got no leg to stand on- do not try to teach an engineer logic or scientific validity-okay ? I am trained in this- you only rely on what you THINK from second hand sources.
how have you arrived at this insane conclusin..yu have travelled more than I?
what in heavens name do you know about me?
It was an assumption-but an educated assumption.
I may not know about you-but i know about ME- and i know that i am more travelled than 995 outta 1000 people.
Playing the odds here- pretty safe bet for me that you nowhere as close to being as travelled as I am.
Lived in half a dozen countries, lived in over a dozen cities, been to over two dozen other countries. And yes, i only 25. Burns, doesnt it ?

to tell who has travelled more we would to swap information and compare...to prove a trivial and silly point.
It is designed to show you flaws out- which goes further to corroborate the similar absurdity in your viewpoints relating to most issues.
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You dont know about the precession anyway.....
Oh yes i do- but i aint humouring your fantasies and backdated conclusions that refuse to keep up with facts-facts that we find and will KEEP finding for a long time to come.
Afterall, you are so intimidated by me, you think i am the equivalent of 2-3 people ! hahahahahaha!
you certainly know how to give a guy half your age a good ego-boost.
 
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-if you go through my archived posts you will see that I have already presened he precession here..
-yet yu must have googled it furiously since I mentioned it to learn as much as you could cram...
-2-3 people shud not serve as an ego boost. it is an expansion to try to capture the extent of the jackass you are
-keeping up with facts is not creating phantasies... now let me here waht you say about the 30k year old iron mine found in what is now Swaziland...give us your update on that.
then what was the original significance of its existence..what was a major purpose of omine
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