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MINNOW TEAMS SHOULD NOT PLAY IN THE W/CUP

Moderated by: Googley, Calypso   New Topic Reply Print Author Post The Black Prince Moderator Joined:  Mon May 24th, 2004 Location:    Posts:  17075 Status:  Offline  Posted: Wed Mar 14th, 2007 08:22 pm Quote Reply   What is the point ??? Batsmen and bowlers from the top teams just fatten their averages. It's a waste of factin time. Only the test playing nations and perhaps Kenya should play in this tournament. The minnows should have their own separate lil ting. Let me know when the Super 8 starts !! Stevie2 Admin   Joined:  Mon Feb 20th, 2006 Location:    Posts:  2474 Status:  Offline  Posted: Wed Mar 14th, 2007 08:39 pm Quote Reply The minnows should play in the Mini or Minnow WC.. only the Top two should advance to the WC and they should not be paired with any team ranked 1-6... the farce in 2003 saw Kenya advance while the WI were knocked out early...     The Black Prince Moderator Joined:  Mon May 24th, 2004 Location:    Posts:  17075 Status:  Offline  Posted: Wed Mar 14th, 2007 08:44 pm Quote Reply   Yeah..........this is like farcical to watch the Aussies hammer the Scots. The outcome is never in doubt. No doubt the Irish, Bermudans Dutch & Co, will get similarly embarrassed. Meanwhile the batsmen and bowlers from the top teams will boast humongous W/Cup records. Maaaan........I refuse to follow these ridiculous games.  Snoop Member Joined:  Sat May 22nd, 2004 Location:  Where The Streets Have No Name, Ontario Canada Posts:  3215 Status:  Offline  Posted: Wed Mar 14th, 2007 08:44 pm Quote Reply Oh Lord, the Yankee Doodles are at it again.  Guys, just be patient and eventually y'all will have a viable world cup team. hehehehehe The Black Prince Moderator Joined:  Mon May 24th, 2004 Location:    Posts:  17075 Status:  Offline  Posted: Wed Mar 14th, 2007 08:46 pm Quote Reply   Yes Snoop...........I would also eject the Canadians. Actually, Canada should be called Old Windies and Asia. I have zero interest in these games. Snoop Member Joined:  Sat May 22nd, 2004 Location:  Where The Streets Have No Name, Ontario Canada Posts:  3215 Status:  Offline  Posted: Wed Mar 14th, 2007 08:47 pm Quote Reply ah yes, the bitter pill of envy. Stevie2 Admin   Joined:  Mon Feb 20th, 2006 Location:    Posts:  2474 Status:  Offline  Posted: Wed Mar 14th, 2007 08:54 pm Quote Reply Snoop wrote: ah yes, the bitter pill of envy. I'll speak to our league President and try to arrange a game against the Canadian national team.... I swear to @#$@$%$ god I'll buss them rass.... We'll pick an 11 just from our league... Just to make it easy, we'll travel north... all you have to do is show up for the obligatory cutrass The Black Prince Moderator Joined:  Mon May 24th, 2004 Location:    Posts:  17075 Status:  Offline  Posted: Wed Mar 14th, 2007 08:55 pm Quote Reply   BTW, what is of interest to me is that Kenya has 7 players whose names begin with "O". And if you add the O's in their captain Tikolo, .....well you get a big O !     Rev Al Member   Joined:  Sun Mar 11th, 2007 Location:    Posts:  1682 Status:  Offline  Posted: Wed Mar 14th, 2007 09:02 pm Quote Reply CHAMPIONS ALL: Members of the 1975 and 1979 world champion West Indies teams were saluted for their contribution yesterday: (from left) Viv Richards, Vanburn Holder, Michael Holding, Andy Roberts, Lance Gibbs, Alvin Kallicharran, Larry Gomes, Clive Lloyd (captain), Maurice Foster, Deryck Murray, Colin Croft, Rohan Kanhai, Faoud Bacchus, Bernard Julien, Gordon Greenidge, Joel Garner and Collis King. (Picture by Gordon Brooks.)   LINK   No minnows when those champions won the first 2 cups. Rev Snoop Member Joined:  Sat May 22nd, 2004 Location:  Where The Streets Have No Name, Ontario Canada Posts:  3215 Status:  Offline  Posted: Wed Mar 14th, 2007 09:04 pm Quote Reply Man you guys are taking this thing to heart - but it is coming close to St. Patty's day so I'll forgive y'all for all this GREENNESS. BTW Stevie, my local team once invited a NY team to visit Canada and play a 2 day game as we had been to NY the previous summer.  Well on the day in question only 2 guys from NY showed up because the rest were all illegal in the States and couldn't travel across the border.  We ended up playing a 15 over bumper ball match and dominoes later. The Black Prince Moderator Joined:  Mon May 24th, 2004 Location:    Posts:  17075 Status:  Offline  Posted: Wed Mar 14th, 2007 09:06 pm Quote Reply   Wait............wait..................wait !!!!!! Winning World Cup teams ??? Then what is Faoud Bacchus doin in that photo ??? Also..........were Croft and Gomes in Winning World Cup squads ??? Also was Julien in the 1975 squad ??? Where is Naby.........we need some research here !! I think I am on solid ground with Bacchus !!! The Black Prince Moderator Joined:  Mon May 24th, 2004 Location:    Posts:  17075 Status:  Offline  Posted: Wed Mar 14th, 2007 09:11 pm Quote Reply   BTW.......those fellas look old !! Also Kalli look like he put on some weight since his playin days........or is that the Big Cat protruding over ?? Roberts look like he will be hard pressed to bowl at 50 kph ! Also, Murray look like Kofi Annan !!  Googley Moderator Joined:  Thu May 26th, 2005 Location:  USA Posts:  6496 Status:  Offline  Posted: Wed Mar 14th, 2007 09:44 pm Quote Reply It pays to be at the right place at the right time.  Ie. Bacchus!!   Man, the Babu looked fit and trim dey!    Chico Member Joined:  Thu Jun 3rd, 2004 Location:  Orlando, Florida USA Posts:  287 Status:  Offline  Posted: Wed Mar 14th, 2007 09:45 pm Quote Reply I'll speak to our league President and try to arrange a game against the Canadian national team.... I swear to @#$@$%$ god I'll buss them rass.... We'll pick an 11 just from our league... Stevie, don't you play in the Commonwealth League? Or more correctly, Leslie's League? Leslie couldn't organize a team to save his life. Tell him I seh suh. If I remember correctly, we beat up on the Commonwealth League once or twice - and this was when the ACL guys (Zamin, Nezam etc.) used to carry the League. The Black Prince Moderator Joined:  Mon May 24th, 2004 Location:    Posts:  17075 Status:  Offline  Posted: Wed Mar 14th, 2007 09:47 pm Quote Reply Googley wrote: It pays to be at the right place at the right time.  Ie. Bacchus!!   Man, the Babu looked fit and trim dey!      Yes...........it look like Bacchus pope the photo session.    Stevie2 Admin   Joined:  Mon Feb 20th, 2006 Location:    Posts:  2474 Status:  Offline  Posted: Wed Mar 14th, 2007 09:49 pm Quote Reply Chico, I wasn't playing then!!!   Chico Member Joined:  Thu Jun 3rd, 2004 Location:  Orlando, Florida USA Posts:  287 Status:  Offline  Posted: Wed Mar 14th, 2007 10:01 pm Quote Reply The Black Prince wrote: It's a waste of factin time. I absolutely and totally disagree! The only way that these teams will improve is if they regularly play against better competition. Maybe the World Cup is not the place to do it, but the ICC does not provide enough other opportunities. The WC (and a couple of other very limited chances) is all they have. Besides, participation in the World Cup, if used correctly by the home boards, can be a valuable public relations and fund raising opportunity for the smaller countries. Participation in any competition other than the World Cup does does not provide the same. Maybe Scotland got blown out by Australia today, but we don't call for West Indies or South Africa to be disbanded when the get blown out in a single game. These things happen. It's cricket. As far as Kenya's success in 2003 is concerned - they deserved to be in the semi-finals. The won the game they had to - against a top level team and a former World Champion - and they cannot be held responsible for the stupidity of others. Kenya played well. West Indies played like crap. It was as it should be. And I also predict that Kenya will win one more game here and move on to the super 8s! Last edited on Wed Mar 14th, 2007 10:03 pm by Chico The Black Prince Moderator Joined:  Mon May 24th, 2004 Location:    Posts:  17075 Status:  Offline  Posted: Wed Mar 14th, 2007 10:18 pm Quote Reply Chico wrote: The Black Prince wrote: It's a waste of factin time. I absolutely and totally disagree! The only way that these teams will improve is if they regularly play against better competition. Maybe the World Cup is not the place to do it, but the ICC does not provide enough other opportunities. The WC (and a couple of other very limited chances) is all they have. Besides, participation in the World Cup, if used correctly by the home boards, can be a valuable public relations and fund raising opportunity for the smaller countries. Participation in any competition other than the World Cup does does not provide the same. - The W/Cup is not the stage for the primary goal of spreading cricket in smaller countries. Maybe Scotland got blown out by Australia today, but we don't call for West Indies or South Africa to be disbanded when the get blown out in a single game. These things happen. It's cricket.  - No, those 2 teams have proven pedigree. Scotland et al do not. As far as Kenya's success in 2003 is concerned - they deserved to be in the semi-finals. The won the game they had to - against a top level team and a former World Champion - and they cannot be held responsible for the stupidity of others. Kenya played well. West Indies played like crap. It was as it should be. - I mentioned that Kenya would be the only minnow that could be kept. And I also predict that Kenya will win one more game here and move on to the super 8s! - Perhaps. Cricket administration versus the Cricket Fan.   Rev Al Member   Joined:  Sun Mar 11th, 2007 Location:    Posts:  1682 Status:  Offline  Posted: Wed Mar 14th, 2007 10:26 pm Quote Reply The Black Prince wrote: Yes...........it look like Bacchus pope the photo session.    Click on the link and scroll down---Bacchus was actually part of the 1979 team---not the XI. LINK Rev Backward Square Leg Member Joined:  Tue Sep 28th, 2004 Location:    Posts:  205 Status:  Offline  Posted: Wed Mar 14th, 2007 10:53 pm Quote Reply Remember what Ireland did to South Africa in the warmup. Remember what Kenya did to WI in 96. Chico Member Joined:  Thu Jun 3rd, 2004 Location:  Orlando, Florida USA Posts:  287 Status:  Offline  Posted: Wed Mar 14th, 2007 10:58 pm Quote Reply The Black Prince wrote: The W/Cup is not the stage for the primary goal of spreading cricket in smaller countries. It should be! Every opportunity should be used for that cause. When the Super Bowl - a sport played at a high level in only one country in the world - is being viewed in more countries than the cricket World Cup, I worry. No, those 2 teams have proven pedigree. Scotland et al do not. Unless they're allowed to develop they never will have a pedigree. Look at New Zealand, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh - they had no pedigree until admitted to the Test arena and people complained in each case when they were promoted to full members. They used the same arguments (padded averages, boring matches etc.). No one complains about them now, do they? Do you think they would have gotten as good as they are without full member status? And it's a valid analogy - there was no World Cup at the time (in the case of SL & NZ) - if there was people would have been saying the same in that context. Cricket administration versus the Cricket Fan. The two are not mutually exclusive. Quite the opposite, in fact. I don't see anybody becoming a cricket administrator in an Associate country unless he is first and foremost a cricket fan. Why else would anybody spend all the time and money to be an administrator unless they love the sport? Especially when you get nothing in return but cusses, complains and heartaches? Rawvan Member   Joined:  Mon Sep 4th, 2006 Location:    Posts:  528 Status:  Offline  Posted: Thu Mar 15th, 2007 12:02 am Quote Reply doh worry Prince, Stevie...next time USA will qualify...HaH,HAH Yorker Member   Joined:  Sat Oct 7th, 2006 Location:    Posts:  465 Status:  Offline  Posted: Thu Mar 15th, 2007 12:49 am Quote Reply TBP - You sound like Ricky Ponting and others and it's easy to fall into that trap - no competition, waste of time etc.  If he had his way none of the minnows would be in the Caribbean.  Some like the cricket world just the way it is - a small elite closed shop.  We all like to see the well known teams going hard at it competitively but that is not the point given that there is no similar competition for the minnows. Giving a team the mantra of 'world champions' is meaningless when only a dozen countries compete.  The bottom line is that the lower tier of cricket is extremely thin and at times pathetic but the minnows had to compete in play offs to get to the West Indies (and regardless of 'top team batsmen & bowlers' padding their averages' and the fact that people won't be flocking in droves or watching on TV) the minnows will go home richer for the experience and ultimately more determined to succeed further down the track. If they are not given the chance they will never know what it is like to succeed at an elite level - with funds, talent and a good coach they will eventually get a look in and cricket could become a bigger  competitive world cup.   Rainman Member   Joined:  Wed Jun 16th, 2004 Location:    Posts:  1459 Status:  Offline  Posted: Thu Mar 15th, 2007 03:09 am Quote Reply I partially agree. I think to totally blank out the minnows is to not encourage them. I think top two minnows should be invited to the big dance. The Black Prince Moderator Joined:  Mon May 24th, 2004 Location:    Posts:  17075 Status:  Offline  Posted: Thu Mar 15th, 2007 02:20 pm Quote Reply   Bannas.........in a competition to decide the Best In The World.........yuh don't invite the Worst In the World. Again, the World Cup competition IS NOT the place to be developing 2nd rated and 3rd rated cricket teams. I think it stinks...........and I refuse to follow any match where minnows are involved till the Super 8s'.     The Black Prince Moderator Joined:  Mon May 24th, 2004 Location:    Posts:  17075 Status:  Offline  Posted: Thu Mar 15th, 2007 02:23 pm Quote Reply Rev Al wrote: The Black Prince wrote: Yes...........it look like Bacchus pope the photo session.    Click on the link and scroll down---Bacchus was actually part of the 1979 team---not the XI. LINK Rev   OK.........my apologies to Bacchus...........though I can never forgive him for that wimpish shot he played to either Sandhu or Amarnath in the first over after the break in the 1983 Final. The Black Prince Moderator Joined:  Mon May 24th, 2004 Location:    Posts:  17075 Status:  Offline  Posted: Thu Mar 15th, 2007 02:27 pm Quote Reply Backward Square Leg wrote: Remember what Ireland did to South Africa in the warmup. Remember what Kenya did to WI in 96.   So out of 10 encounters, how many times will Ireland beat South Africa and Kenya beat the West Indies ?? The Black Prince Moderator Joined:  Mon May 24th, 2004 Location:    Posts:  17075 Status:  Offline  Posted: Thu Mar 15th, 2007 02:28 pm Quote Reply Rawvan wrote: doh worry Prince, Stevie...next time USA will qualify...HaH,HAH   I would eject both the US and Canada in no time. Let them play in Tier 2 or 3. Chico Member Joined:  Thu Jun 3rd, 2004 Location:  Orlando, Florida USA Posts:  287 Status:  Offline  Posted: Thu Mar 15th, 2007 03:36 pm Quote Reply The Black Prince wrote: Bannas.........in a competition to decide the Best In The World.........yuh don't invite the Worst In the World. These are NOT the worst in the world. There are 98 member countries in the ICC - 82 of them are not here. Canada, Scotland, Ireland, Bermuda and Netherlands EARNED the right to be here by finishing at the top of their elimination competitions. Look, even in the football World Cup we have teams like Trinidad who come into the tournament with the expectation that they will not win any games. They worked hard for the right to be there and no one ever says that they shouldn't be. Perhaps football fans are more far-sighted? I don't think so, it's just that there's been a football WC for a lot longer and most people understand the advantages. Last edited on Thu Mar 15th, 2007 03:37 pm by Chico The Black Prince Moderator Joined:  Mon May 24th, 2004 Location:    Posts:  17075 Status:  Offline  Posted: Thu Mar 15th, 2007 03:42 pm Quote Reply   Look Chico...........there is not the Vast Gap between a Footballing Brazil and Nigeria that there is between a Cricketing Australia and Scotland. IMMENSE GAP IN ABILITY. In the Football W/Cup, there is probably 1% of teams that look to be out of place............here we have about 40%. It's factin ridiculous. Again, I come back to my point - The World Cup Is No Place To be Developing The Cricket of 2nd and 3rd rated teams.    Current time is 07:45 pm Page:    1  2